Roberto and all, Good point and all true Roberto. What's better though is cooperation between the root structure systems. Oh I forgot, ICANN doesn't want to do that, do they. Shame that. More importantly is the collisions ( non physical ) of DN's that share the same TLD but are on different root structure systems. Who was first in Commerce will and should have precedence, logically and legally speaking. Same is true for "Passing off" under the Lanham act in the US, and by International practice in the UN. Again, "first use in commerce" will and should prevail, legally, and logically speaking on a global scale as well. This where the problem is now, has been to an extent, and unless ICANN cooperates with other Root server structures, non physical collisions will ensue. That sets up a host of legal considerations extraneous, and inclusive of the Lanham Act, including, but not limited to abusive business practices act depending on who had first use of any particular TLD or DN in a TLD name space, and Restraint of Trade statutes, both US, and other countries similar statutes, and in accordance with UN practice under WIPO. This would be the case with .bank in Danny's example earlier on this thread. Yet I still applaud ICANN's opening up the gTLD and IDN gTLD name space as it offers more use in commercial and non-commercial activity. But ICANN must learn to share, or be faced with potential and likely protracted litigation which will tarnish ICANN's image further, create confusion amongst users/consumers globally, and likely engender criminal prosecution of ICANN's own Bod and Staff on commercially based grounds under Restraint of Trade grounds. I for one would not like to see this happen. How about you? I want a happy, fair and honest ICANN, don't you Roberto? Roberto Gaetano wrote:
I am missing something here. We have been flooded over the years with emails that have been stating how successfule alternate roots are, on how ISPs all over the world are increasingly pointing to a system that is able to override what is in the "ICANN root" with a different choices, and so on. Now, what's the problem now? If ICANN delegates some TLDs that have a different resolution in a different root system, all what it takes for who wants to address the latter rather than the one in the ICANN root is to change your setting and point to the alternate system. It's called "competition", I am being told. There's nothing wrong in having different highways systems, as it already happens with different railroad systems. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ga@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of sotiris@hermesnetwork.com Sent: Sunday, 29 June 2008 01:30 To: ga@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [ga] New top-level internet addresses come with $100, 000-plus price tag
What a load of crap Danny! Are you bucking for employment at ICANN again or something?
Truly a sad day for the Internet indeed.
Here's an analogy for you: What if your town along with your neighbouring towns have simply lost confidence in the existing Highway or Levee authorities because they have been siphoning off the the money that was intended for maintenance to say... fight pointless wars overseas or some such nonsense... So, the highway and levee systems around your town(s) are not what you and your fellow country bumpkins were hoping for when you paid your taxes like good little sheeple. So, your town and its neighbouring towns decide to build your own highways and levee systems ON YOUR OWN PRIVATE LAND. You end up running into many others in neighbouring towns and cities who feel the same way across the country and all together and at your own expense you end up setting up your system of highways (or levees). Then, all of a sudden, the looters at the now anachronistic Highway/Levee Authority move in and take over your highways and levees because they have the guns, bombs, and HAARP. How would that make you feel Mr. Establishment Apologist?
Regards,
Sotiris
John,
I don't see it that way. Let me try to use an analogy.
There are a
set of properties that are in a poorly-trafficked side of town. Most folks can't easily find these properties as they are not listed in the maps (search engines) that most people will use. They provide some local benefit to those that own the properties and to the limited set of neighbors that are aware of the property locations, but as they are not situated on the main thoroughfares, most will just pass them by without even realizing that they are there.
The owners of these properties can arrange to move these structures to the main highway by entering into a leasehold arrangement with the highway department (the same way that a McDonald's, for example, can occupy a prime rest stop location along an interstate thruway). Of course, these property owners may have to compete with other property owners to obtain such a lease.
And yes, there are times when a major highway might pass through a minor property development and create a loss situation for a property owner as the highway builders exercise their eminent domain rights. In such cases, there are victims, and often enough such victims are not compensated.
Anyone that has watched the development plans for this highway has known that it has been many years in the making; certainly enough time for property owners to make their plans.
Most would say: you can't stop the march of progress. Most would also agree that progress outweighs the needs of the few whose assets might be damaged. Such is life.
Those that choose not to get out of the way of a steamroller will wind up being crushed -- that's just the way that it is. If you seek to grow your properties, the consider entering into the process set up by the highway department. You have just as much right as anyone else to bid on a lease (and ICANN leases are forever). Put together a business plan and field a bid. It's a better option than grousing over the current situation.
regards, Danny
--- On Sat, 6/28/08, John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> wrote:
From: John Palmer <jpalmer@american-webmasters.net> Subject: Re: [ga] New top-level internet addresses come with $100,000-plus price tag To: ga@gnso.icann.org Date: Saturday, June 28, 2008, 4:27 PM This is nothing but an attempt at wholesale theft of property from one group of people (small businesses) by an organization so that they can sell that stolen property to rich and powerful people. Most of the gTLDs that are popular are already owned and operated by companies, most of them small businesses with limited resources. You know how justice works in the country - You get justice if you can buy it, otherwise, you're out of luck. They are now proposing to do what they did with .BIZ back in 2000 on a wide scale basis.
Whats new? ICANN is all about stealing things it does not own and profiting off of it. We all know, for instance, that the UDRP is nothing but a scheme that allows rich and powerful interests to steal domains from poor people.
ICANN, Dick Cheney, George Bush, the Bilderburgs, Hapsburgs, Vladimir Putin, Robert Mugabe - no difference between any of them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominik Filipp" <dominik.filipp@dsoft.sk> To: <sotiris@hermesnetwork.com>; <ga@gnso.icann.org> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [ga] New top-level internet addresses come with $100,000-plus price tag
Sotiris,
bright conclusions as usual, but I see one positive aspect on it, a decrease of Verisign's .COM dominance. Just imagine perfect URL addresses such as
http://microsoft http://ibm http://xerox
affordable for the rich though.
But all the rest in your post remains perfectly valid.
Dominik
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ga@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of sotiris@hermesnetwork.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 5:03 PM To: ga@gnso.icann.org Subject: [ga] New top-level internet addresses come with $100,000-plus price tag
All,
See article:
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article4218
629 .ece
One last money grab by the looters at ICANN and their moocher cronies. The day of the truly international, standardized Internet is over. This move is a pretty transparent attempt to dominate any DNS system by a bunch of shortsighted and pigheaded individuals who have all the visionary capacity of a rotten potato. The real (and unstated) intent of this move is to preclude the advent of extra-ICANN DNS systems in any language on earth, such that the resulting (or continuing) US dominated addressing system will remain within the purview of American control. In effect, what ICANN is telling the world is that no country/nation has the right to create its own DNS as they will simply collide it into irrelevancy and make a handsome "profit" at the same time!
A sad day for Internet users worldwide.
Sotiris
P.S. I will be unsubscribing from this list as there is no longer any reason for me to follow the meaningless blabber hereon. Good luck to all of you (except to the looters and moochers, I hope your genitalia rot).
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