Milton, You might want to give a try to convince Danny that after all, ALAC and NCUC are natural allies and it would be better to have a common strategy instead of making it difficult to coexist. You might be aware that Karen Banks, past representative of NCUC, is now in the Board of EURALO. ALAC does not raise any problem in her playing a leadership role in both parts of the organization (provided that we remain within the Bylaws). We (ALAC and NCUC) are on the minority side in a struggle that sees commercial interests outnumber our forces: I am always convinced that a conflict between ALAC and NCUC would only have the effect of render both weaker and less effective. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: Milton Mueller [mailto:Mueller@syr.edu] Sent: 22 May 2007 19:46 To: 'Luc Faubert'; 'Roberto Gaetano'; Jacqueline Morris; 'Alan Greenberg'; 'Danny Younger' Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'; 'NA Discuss'; carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com Subject: Re: NCUC and MoU orgs?
I don't see how you can say "that's that". I told Danny that there is nothing necessarily preventing an organization from being in ALAC and NCUC at the same time. There is some ambiguity about being an ALS at the same time. But the interpretation of the NCUC charter provision is not entirely clear in this case. The charter provision was intended to prevent NCUC members from having a conflict of interest; if they are paid by and accountable to ICANN the organization it is not suitable for them to also be independently formulating policy that governs ICANN. It is not clear to me that ALS's are paid by and accountable to ICANN; they also may be intended to be independent policy formulation bodies. It's not clear.
"Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> 5/22/2007 1:17 PM
> Ok So that's that unless the NCUC changes its charter... it's either/or. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:18 AM To: Roberto Gaetano; 'Luc Faubert'; 'Alan Greenberg' Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Reason for NO vote for TelecommunitiesCanada's ALS application
Hi Roberto,
If Communautique (as an org of orgs) will not meet the ALS criteria per the ICANN bylaws, then why leave them out in the cold? It would certainly be better to suggest to them that they can possibly find a home in the NCUC.
With regard to "nothing prevents both things to happen at the same time", that may not be true. In fact, I am currently in discussions with Milton Mueller over this issue as the NCUC Charter deems ineligible those organizations that provide services under MoU with ICANN.
--- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@icann.org> wrote:
Because, as noted half a million times already, the NCUC is a constituency of the GNSO, while the ALAC is an Advisory Committee of the Board, and they have two distinct roles. Therefore, it would be up to the organization itself to decide whether they want to have a (voting) position, limited to GNSO matters, or a (advisory, non voting) position, related to the whole spectrum of ICANN activities. Of course, nothing prevents both things to happen at the same time.
Incidentally, may I note that, to the best of my knowledge, nobody ever went to the NCUC list to suggest that current members of that constituency move *instead* to ALAC, even if most of them would indeed qualify.
Feel free to forward to NA discuss.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: 22 May 2007 15:21 To: Luc Faubert; Alan Greenberg Cc: At-Large Worldwide; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [At-Large] [NA-Discuss] Reason for NO vote for TelecommunitiesCanada's ALS application
So why not do the right thing and refer them instead to the Non-Commercial Users Constituency (NCUC)?
--- Luc Faubert <LFaubert@conceptum.ca> wrote:
Alan,
Thanks for you thorough reply. I appreciate.
From what I understand of the history behind the wording to the effect that orgs certified as ALSes should be user-driven, it was meant as a protection against lobbying groups. It would be a shame if this kept legitimate orgs of orgs out of the process, as these are sometimes the only orgs with the human resources to invest in the demanding task of following ICANN-related activites.
Let's hope ALAC can clear things up before long, as another org of orgs from Canada has applied for certification (Communautique, an org a bit like TC in French-speaking Québec).
Regards,
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