Sorry for seriously derailing this with examples of what really happens, so we do not set out expectations too high: On 2017-05-15 12:53 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote: (snip)
Otherwise, ICANN will become a DNS industry association and advocator, no longer to be trusted by the public.
Some would argue that this has already happened,
(snip) Count me in there, I argue this has happened. Why should we be trusting ICANN? The look at Copenhagen, Joint Meeting ICANN Board & At-Large, Tuesday, March 14, 2017 – 09:45 to 10:45 CET, with this coming from the ICANN Board:
The CCWG -- transition CCWG spent a huge amount of time looking at, discussing, and refining ICANN's mission. And making ICANN's mission clearer. And ICANN's mission is clearly limited to the DNS and to the names and numbers and protocol parameters. And so for me, users doesn't mean Internet users. Users means the users of what it is that we are in charge of. In other words, it means registrants or -- I'm not sure if the right term for numbers is registrants, but anyway, it means the people who use the names and numbers.
I believe that trying to represent the Internet users is far outside of ICANN's mission and scope because we do not, in fact, have -- we don't run the Internet. What we run is the domain names system and therefore, as I said for me, users are the users of the Domain Name System and the numbers and protocol parameters. Thanks.
(Unfortunately I only have a local copy of the document, not the link) Let's have a look at what Ken wrote: On 2017-05-13 04:55 PM, Ken Whitehurst wrote:
While Canada is a G7 country, its record when it comes to consumer representation is dismal, well by Canadian democratic standards. ;-) So there is a huge need for resources here to engage matters like Internet governance. Debates are raging here about many matters touched by Internet governance, from privacy to commercial security to cultural expression. Our organization will be addressing a standing committee of Canada's Parliament around Internet privacy and security issues this Tuesday. The consumer perspective does not get the well-rounded discussion here it deserves in all these matters because of the limited capacity of consumer associations, and by that I mean associations of "retail" consumers with an interest in the functioning of the Internet. This constituency is not well formed or heard. We have become involved in the ICANN process because we think Internet governance issues are at the nexus of an unfolding crisis of security and authentication breaches that threaten the trust of consumers in what has become one of the world's most important global institutions, the Internet. The resources created by the assignment of Internet identity must be used in some measure to increase understanding of Internet governance and to facilitate consumer representation and understanding, whether through associations or by individuals. But we believe associations will be the most capable and effective protagonists in this complex area on behalf of the heterogeneous consumer constituency that our organization seeks to represent. Canada is not the EU and it is not the US and it certainly is not China in terms of economic scale and ability to aggregate resources for this purpose, and it's people and civil society organizations have much in common with many other countries and their citizens around the world in requiring resources from the cash flows of the system of the Internet itself to participate in global Internet governance. So we think this should be on the table in any discussion of the dispersement of proceeds of income raised directly or indirectly from Internet users, as well as the need to increase the awareness of publics around the world about the processes of Internet governance. My apologies if I am not on point. But since Internet governance was raised as an objective of funding, I am responding to this additional point.
-- Ken Whitehurst Executive Director Consumers Council of Canada
I agree totally with Ken. Instead we are seeing how consumers are mere sources to be used by registrants as candy for ICANN's mission. Never mind the harm done in this mission. I believe ICANN is consumer hostile a.t.m. I'd even go as far as to say that ICANN is hostile to registrants with good reason, rather seeing registrants as sources to exploit with defensive registration and when that fails as it invariably will, insist on UDRPs etc. ICANN for the rich jumps to mind. I can demonstrate how ICANN and the responsible registrar knew about serious issues surround registrations from the same malicious registrant mentioned here: http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2016-1042 I quote from the findings:
In addition, the use of a domain name for a site that imitates a legitimate pharmaceutical site could pose a public health risk and therefore also may be indicative of bad faith
How much does that matter? Nothing. The same registrant is still serially spoofing pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, banks, lawyers - in fact every level of legit registrant class, from the USA to Japan, from Europe to Africa. All this with registration details that does not even pass the briefest of brief scrutiny, yet saw the registrar ignoring the issue, later ICANN Compliance stating [Ticket ~XFS-327-35074 - rbign.org ]:
Thank you for submitting a Abuse complaint concerning the registrar NameSilo, LLC. ICANN has reviewed and closed your complaint because:
- The registrar demonstrated that it took reasonable and prompt steps to investigate and respond appropriately to the report of abuse.
Please note that ICANN may accept the following as steps registrars took to investigate and respond to abuse reports:
- Contacting the registrant - Asking for and obtaining evidence or licenses - Providing hosting provider information to the complainant - Performing Whois verification - Performing transfer upon request of registrant - Suspending domain
In this case we still saw a spoof of the reserve Bank of India merrily active with totally bogus registration details active well ... AFTER ... ICANN considered this issue closed.
Registrant Name: mike Chris Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: no. 5 Benson St Registrant City: imc Registrant State/Province: imc Registrant Postal Code: 23454 Registrant Country: NG Registrant Phone: +234.08098708469 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: mixingcreditb@yahoo.com <mailto:mixingcreditb@yahoo.com>
A complaint to the ICANN Ombudsman followed and met a silent death. Many repeats of similar mindless situations have convinced me that not only does ICANN Not really care about consumers, but that ICANN does not even care about their own legitimate registrants. What ICANN publishes is not what happens. ICANN Compliance's stance on above issues?
In this case, because the complaint is about inaccurate whois data, I would recommend filing a whois inaccuracy complaint rather than an abuse complaint. The relevant registrar is allowing patently fake registration details into the DNS system in volumes, yet ICANN is expecting an accuracy report must be filed for each and every domain? Obviously the cure is at the source, not extinguishing the result.
So in term of your proposal Ken, I have strong grounds to suspect your excellent proposal will not be considered. Until such a time as as there's a drastic shift in the ICANN Board's views and a willingness to only see the domain name system used legitimately, the consumer will always be at risk from much ICANN emanating. For ICANN the consumer does not count despite what you hear and read. Currently there is not public trust. Regards, Derek Smythe