Inclusion has two faces - accept local jurisdiction (even if it does not fully comply with human rights) and allow all to participate. Thus, this very complex procedure for Israeli citizens should have been strongly improved before giving the mandate to Kuala Lumpur. Both sites have to show some flexibility, otherwise one world, one internet does not survive. Erich SCHWEIGHOFER Erich Prof. (Uni Wien, Legal Informatics, European Law, Multistakeholder Law) MBA Dr. (law) Dr. (informatics) "pre-MAIS" (International Studies) (on leave for the European Commission, Rue de la Loi 130, 1040 Brussel BE, erich.schweighofer@ec.europa.eu, Tel. +32 2 29 52283) Legal Informatics at Vienna University chair: ARI Arbeitsgruppe Rechtsinformatik, Juridicum, Universität Wien chair: iris-conferences.eu President: RI@ LII-Austria CEILI RARI SLib WZRI Department for European, International and Comparative Law, Schottenbastei 10-16/2/5, Zi. 546, 1010 Wien AT, Tel. +43 1 4277 35305 https://rechtsinformatik.univie.ac.at, https://rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY, https://iris-conferences.eu, https://wzri.eu office@rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY; office@iris-conferences.eu; Erich.Schweighofer@univie.ac.at --- Bitte um Teilnahme und Beiträge / Call for contributions and participation: IRI§23 Internationales Rechtsinformatik Symposion 2023, 22.-25.02.23, Salzburg, https://iris-conferences.eu/iris23 Papers bis 31.10.2022 Jusletter IT http://jusletter-it.eu Schriftenreihe Arbeitsgruppe Rechtsinformatik, rechtsinformatik.ACADEMY & IRIS-Journal: https://irisj.eu PHAIDRA ________________________________________ Von: At-Large [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] im Auftrag von Glenn McKnight via At-Large [at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Gesendet: Sonntag, 31. Juli 2022 16:12 An: Hank Nussbacher Cc: At Large Betreff: Re: [At-Large] ICANN75: Selecting Malaysia and inclusiveness Interesting point made by Hank on the fact ICANN selected Malaysia. The selection process for ICANN meetings clearly needs to be assessed. This is also a country with anti-homosexual policies See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Malaysia Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 03:03, Hank Nussbacher via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: On 22/07/2022 20:35, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large wrote: I think you should all be grateful that you can attend ICANN 75. To quote from: https://www.icann.org/diversity-en "To live up to this responsibility, ICANN is committed to promoting greater diversity and supporting broad, inclusive participation in its processes." The upcoming ICANN 75 meeting takes place in Kuala Lumpur . Quoting from the Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Malaysia_relations "Malaysian passports bear the inscription: "This passport is valid for all countries except Israel". Israeli passport holders are forbidden to enter Malaysia without written permission from the Malaysian Ministry of Home Affairs." One can of course claim that travel restrictions have been eased recently as per: https://visalist.io/malaysia/visa-requirements/israel which requires 9 documents and an appearance at the Malaysian embassy - closest of which is in Jordan. How does ICANN live up to its commitment to "inclusiveness" if it selects a country that forbids the participation of Israel (or makes it close to impossible to get a visa)? Regards, Hank Nussbacher Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer
Hi Bill
Not radical, but with some imaginative clauses that sound weird to the ears of somebody that is not a lawyer and does not live in a country that is particularly inclined to solve matters in courts.
Here is an example that, if taken seriously, would oblige me to ask some questions:
/This Liability Waiver and Release is specifically binding upon my heirs and assigns and is knowingly given./
Do I need to ask my (hopefully future) heirs to also sign the waiver? And if they don’t want, or even produce an official document, signed in the hands of a notary or other official authority, that they specifically do not acknowledge the obligation of being obliged to comply with this clause - maybe saying that they formally recommended that I take this trip, what would happen? How can ICANN enforce this clause in my jurisdiction - actually, in the jurisdiction of my heirs - in front of a formal statement of them prior to the fact? And if I attach this document of my heirs to my application, what would ICANN do? Reject my registration because one of the clauses of the waiver is not enforceable?
This is one more reason for loving the ICANN community, never a dull moment and a lot of fun :-)
Cheers, Roberto
On 22.07.2022, at 18:18, Bill Jouris via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:
As such things go, this isn't a particularly radical waiver. A bit wordier than average, but nothing novel in substance.
Bill Jouris
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