Two years to create a constituency that may or may not get direct representation? I can see why this was kept under the radar. It's nonsense. And if we're having trouble figuring this out, how's anyone outside ICANN supposed to? Sent from my iPhone On 15/10/2009, at 1:41 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Danny, that is V1.0, five weeks prior to the version that was approved by the Board.
The approved version is marked as being changed by the SIC on the date of the Board meeting.
Please note I am not condoning the manner in which the final change (or changes if there are others - I have not done a compare) was made, apparently with no consultation at all and as far as I can see, not even highlighting the changes after-the-fact. There was no explicit reference to the change in the minutes of the 27 July SIC meeting.
The call for applications for the three seats (http://icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-05aug09-en.htm ) sends mixed messages. It starts off with "...and potentially serve as full GNSO Councilors for the next two years" which is in line with the V1.0 charter. It then says "The remaining 3 seats will be temporary Board appointments with the expectation that additional non-commercial Constituencies will be formed/approved and participate in filling future NCSG Council seats. The transition period will be two years." FUTURE seats implies that it is in line with the approved V2.0 charter.
Given all of that, I think a case could easily be made for reconsideration.
In any case, all I was pointing out was that the Board motion to appoint the three GNSO Councillors was in line with the NCSG Charter that the Board actually approved.
At 15/10/2009 01:06 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Alan,
see http://gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/en/improvements/ncsg-proposed-petition-char... section 8.4
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [At-Large] "placeholder" reps not placeholders? To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "ALAC Working List" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 12:50 PM
We are obviously looking at different documents. The one I am looking at is pointed to by the 30 July Board meeting report (http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/prelim-report-30jul09.htm). It is internally described as V2.0 dated 30 July 2009 and says:
8.2.3 Three Representatives Appointed by ICANN Board. The remaining three (3) GNSO Council representatives will be appointed by the Board as temporary placements, each serving two year terms, with the expectation that new Constituencies will form.
What version are you looking at?
Note that I am not arguing with the position that you and Beau are taking, just pointing at the documents that I can see.
Alan
At 15/10/2009 12:24 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Alan,
The transitional NSCG Charter had this language:
"Remaining seats will be appointed by the Board as temporary placements with the expectation that new Constituencies will form."
Notice the word "temporary". We all had the reasonable expectation that "placeholder" actually meant placeholder-until-a-newly-formed-constituency-elects-its- representative.
This board action to hard-wire those seats to two year terms came totally out of left field with no community consultation whatsoever.
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Subject: Re: [At-Large] "placeholder" reps not placeholders? To: "At-Large Worldwide" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "ALAC Working List" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 11:50 AM
That is what was in the re-drafted NCSG charter and what was approved by the Board as per the 30 July and 30 September Board meeting reports.
Since I have not seen prior comments that focused on this particular issue, it could be that it was not recognized or considered. As one of the leaders of a potential new constituency, you should bring this to the Boards's attention (presumably through Rob or Denise).
Alan
At 15/10/2009 09:35 AM, Beau Brendler wrote:
By the way, is it true what I heard that the three newly appointed GNSO people have now been hard-wired in to two-year terms? I don't really see a constituency model working under those circumstances. Who's going to join a constituency if they have to wait two years to be able to directly elect a representative? No consumer group I am aware of is going to want to do that..
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