Hello everyone! I always attend the NextGen sessions (onsite and online) ever since I became a mentor during the pandemic.  And I agree with Glenn that there are very few attendees during the session.  Will try to attend the session as the time might not be convenient in APAC.  If it will be possible, I will be asking people here if they can attend also.  Wishing that there is again a Zoom stream of the session. Happy to help! Thank you! Yours truly,Aris Ignacio On Wednesday, March 5, 2025 at 12:17:56 AM GMT+8, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Hi  Roberto I was a regular attendee at these sessions.  Very poor attendance.   Lots of pictures to prove it  I want to chat to you and Ergys Ramja(VP)  who was very interested in sponsoring a lunch meal during the session to draw more attendees to the session.   Please note that the sound quality was horrible at the last meeting .  I will be there Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officerwww.virtualsig.org YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile  437-237-4655 On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Dear all, With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82. This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems. I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions. Best regards, Roberto NextGen Mentor 2025 _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

Remember folks you can download their sideshows. It's important as they are North American students for Naralo to make an effort Glenn On Tue, 4 Mar 2025, 7:36 pm Cheryl Langdon-Orr, <langdonorr@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 10:22, Aris Ignacio via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

...

Hello everyone!

I always attend the NextGen sessions (onsite and online) ever since I became a mentor during the pandemic. And I agree with Glenn that there are very few attendees during the session. Will try to attend the session as the time might not be convenient in APAC. If it will be possible, I will be asking people here if they can attend also. Wishing that there is again a Zoom stream of the session.

Happy to help!

Thank you!

Yours truly, Aris Ignacio

On Wednesday, March 5, 2025 at 12:17:56 AM GMT+8, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote:

Hi Roberto I was a regular attendee at these sessions. Very poor attendance. Lots of pictures to prove it I want to chat to you and Ergys Ramja(VP) who was very interested in sponsoring a lunch meal during the session to draw more attendees to the session. Please note that the sound quality was horrible at the last meeting . I will be there

Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * *Mobile 437-237-4655*

On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 11:02, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

Dear all,

With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82.

This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems.

I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions.

Best regards, Roberto NextGen Mentor 2025

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Thanks Roberto for sharing. Best Hadia Elminiawi On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 at 11:16, Emilia Zalewska-Czajczyńska via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

Dear Roberto,

Thank you for sharing. The list of topics looks highly interesting, especially that some of them concern relatively fresh events (like the TikTok ban). Definitely worth attending.

Best regards,

Emilia

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UWAGA: Ta wiadomość pochodzi od zewnętrznego nadawcy - zachowaj ostrożność, szczególnie w przypadku linków i załączników. Dear all,

With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82.

This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems.

I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions.

Best regards, Roberto NextGen Mentor 2025

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Dear all, After this message there were a couple of other contributions mostly by private messages. However, since the issue raised by Glenn is important, and may be discussed in more detail in Seattle, and even among the people more involved in the NextGen program, let me paste here some considerations that can be useful for a discussion involving all of us, as it has to do with what we exactly want from the NextGenners When I started this thread I thought that I was just giving a bit of information and an encouragement to participate to the NextGen presentations sessions. It turns out that there are several good points that provoke further thoughts. I start from the detail to close with the helicopter view. First point, the schedule is such that participation to the presentations is difficult because of conflicting schedule with other important topics. Fair enough. But we must note that the reverse is also true, that NextGenners are prevented from attending important sessions taking place at the same time. In particular, I note the At-Large Plenary https://icann82.sched.com/event/1vpZw/at-large-plenary-1-core-internet-value..., that would be something of the paramount interest to newcomers but also an excellent opportunity for “oldcomers” to hear from newcomers their view on the Internet and its core values. The schedule reflects the (perceived) importance of the events. Obviously two “top hit” events would never be placed at the same time. There must be a way to increase the (perceived) importance of the NextGen presentations to favour a better placement in the schedule. Incidentally, I note that while a recording is always available, people who do not have the chance, because of conflicting sessions, to attend the presentations will miss what is an important part: the opportunity to ask questions and to make an immediate contact with the speaker, possibly with a follow up in the rest of the week, because in most cases the recordings will be looked at only at the end of the conference, once back home. BTW, I am encouraging my mentees to join the NARALO Town Hall, so that some communication could be established with what would be their natural “port of entry” in the NA ICANN community: the “At-Large”, as the name suggests. Then they can move to a more specific stakeholder group, depending on their specific interests. A second point is about the content of the presentations being in line with the ICANN scope and priorities. Besides the fact that we have just the titles and not the content, so it is probably premature to pass judgement, I honestly cannot see which would be the three presentations that could be considered out of scope. This said, I have a few considerations in reply to this. The first one is that the instructions given were to talk about something that they know and they care about, knowing what the scope of ICANN is (they have attended all the compulsory ICANN Learn training courses, so they have a good - albeit theoretical - understanding of ICANN). I cannot speak for other mentors, but in discussions with my mentees I have alway made clear what the ICANN remit is but have also not discouraged them to add facts or considerations that were important to them. However, what strikes me most in the list of titles is not that there may be a couple of ones that could be perceived out of ICANN’s scope, but that there is only one title out of twelve that mentions gTLDs. In short, not the presence of unusual items, but the absence of “the topic”, on which we incumbents spend actually the greater part of our efforts. And this brings me straight into the final consideration. True, things are radically changing. They have been always on the move, but this beginning of 2025 will probably witness a paradigm change. Yes, "Blood will be spilled and we need to be strategic […]”. That needs to bring us back to the founding principles: why did we create ICANN, what was the objective, what have we done so far and what remains to be done - or must be changed. In this situation the last thing that I would do, having the opportunity to have young enthusiast newcomers, at their first contact with ICANN, telling us something that may be different from repeating time and again the same old stories, is to straightjacket them into a sandbox. Let’s let them speak up, and tell us what is important for them in what they see as the ICANN remit, and then judge what is in scope and what out of scope, but after a discussion within us. This is their first experience, they will decide whether in ICANN there is too much talking about things they do not care about and leave, or decide that they can have a role in it, and continue. And we all will benefit from new ideas. As people have heard me saying often, the NextGen programme is surely an opportunity for participants, but is also - and for me foremost - an opportunity to have a fresh view and to hear what people outside the ICANN circles think and feel. This has been always important, but now that we are living through an epochal change, it has become necessary. The key question is "what is really ICANN for?”. Is it just about regulating the domain name market or about establishing a multistakeholder governance model for the Internet of which the management of domain names is just an example? Looking forward to a meeting in Seattle that is happening in interesting times, where I fear we may appreciate to which extent the new approach to geopolitics is changing the paradigm. Roberto On 05.03.2025, at 15:26, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Hi All Although all the topics are interesting they are some that is out of scope box ICANN, this is a problem for the Fellowship and NExgen which is detached for the core mission. Each of these presentations should be mapped to Icann policies, SO and AC activities. We have people getting a glimpse but not a real picture. It's not valuable to most and a disservice and anthems to the goals of efficiency and the strategic plans. G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 5 Mar 2025, 4:16 am Emilia Zalewska-Czajczyńska via At-Large, <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Roberto, Thank you for sharing. The list of topics looks highly interesting, especially that some of them concern relatively fresh events (like the TikTok ban). Definitely worth attending. Best regards, Emilia From: Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:02 PM To: At Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: Fernanda Iunes <fernanda.iunes@icann.org<mailto:fernanda.iunes@icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] NextGen presentations UWAGA: Ta wiadomość pochodzi od zewnętrznego nadawcy - zachowaj ostrożność, szczególnie w przypadku linków i załączników. Dear all, With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82. This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems. I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions. Best regards, Roberto NextGen Mentor 2025 _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org<mailto:at-large-leave@icann.org> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org<http://atlarge.icann.org/> _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list -- at-large@icann.org To unsubscribe send an email to at-large-leave@icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

Glenn, Never say never. I said three times: “This is my last ICANN meeting”. In Berlin 1999, in Seul 2009, in Kobe 2019. We’ll find some time to chat this week. R On 08.03.2025, at 09:17, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Hi Roberto Oh boy, you are making a number of valid points which isn't far off my intentions of my original emails. As you know I have been around the block with IEEE, ISOC, ICANN NDIA and others all of which at the end user side of things except a failed attempt with .GREEN ( Long story) I am happy to sit down in a small group without staff or NexGen to wax poetically on these issues. Let me know a good time for you during the meeting . I am leaving early Thurs morning and never returning to ICANN. My last swan song G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 at 20:08, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, After this message there were a couple of other contributions mostly by private messages. However, since the issue raised by Glenn is important, and may be discussed in more detail in Seattle, and even among the people more involved in the NextGen program, let me paste here some considerations that can be useful for a discussion involving all of us, as it has to do with what we exactly want from the NextGenners When I started this thread I thought that I was just giving a bit of information and an encouragement to participate to the NextGen presentations sessions. It turns out that there are several good points that provoke further thoughts. I start from the detail to close with the helicopter view. First point, the schedule is such that participation to the presentations is difficult because of conflicting schedule with other important topics. Fair enough. But we must note that the reverse is also true, that NextGenners are prevented from attending important sessions taking place at the same time. In particular, I note the At-Large Plenary https://icann82.sched.com/event/1vpZw/at-large-plenary-1-core-internet-value..., that would be something of the paramount interest to newcomers but also an excellent opportunity for “oldcomers” to hear from newcomers their view on the Internet and its core values. The schedule reflects the (perceived) importance of the events. Obviously two “top hit” events would never be placed at the same time. There must be a way to increase the (perceived) importance of the NextGen presentations to favour a better placement in the schedule. Incidentally, I note that while a recording is always available, people who do not have the chance, because of conflicting sessions, to attend the presentations will miss what is an important part: the opportunity to ask questions and to make an immediate contact with the speaker, possibly with a follow up in the rest of the week, because in most cases the recordings will be looked at only at the end of the conference, once back home. BTW, I am encouraging my mentees to join the NARALO Town Hall, so that some communication could be established with what would be their natural “port of entry” in the NA ICANN community: the “At-Large”, as the name suggests. Then they can move to a more specific stakeholder group, depending on their specific interests. A second point is about the content of the presentations being in line with the ICANN scope and priorities. Besides the fact that we have just the titles and not the content, so it is probably premature to pass judgement, I honestly cannot see which would be the three presentations that could be considered out of scope. This said, I have a few considerations in reply to this. The first one is that the instructions given were to talk about something that they know and they care about, knowing what the scope of ICANN is (they have attended all the compulsory ICANN Learn training courses, so they have a good - albeit theoretical - understanding of ICANN). I cannot speak for other mentors, but in discussions with my mentees I have alway made clear what the ICANN remit is but have also not discouraged them to add facts or considerations that were important to them. However, what strikes me most in the list of titles is not that there may be a couple of ones that could be perceived out of ICANN’s scope, but that there is only one title out of twelve that mentions gTLDs. In short, not the presence of unusual items, but the absence of “the topic”, on which we incumbents spend actually the greater part of our efforts. And this brings me straight into the final consideration. True, things are radically changing. They have been always on the move, but this beginning of 2025 will probably witness a paradigm change. Yes, "Blood will be spilled and we need to be strategic […]”. That needs to bring us back to the founding principles: why did we create ICANN, what was the objective, what have we done so far and what remains to be done - or must be changed. In this situation the last thing that I would do, having the opportunity to have young enthusiast newcomers, at their first contact with ICANN, telling us something that may be different from repeating time and again the same old stories, is to straightjacket them into a sandbox. Let’s let them speak up, and tell us what is important for them in what they see as the ICANN remit, and then judge what is in scope and what out of scope, but after a discussion within us. This is their first experience, they will decide whether in ICANN there is too much talking about things they do not care about and leave, or decide that they can have a role in it, and continue. And we all will benefit from new ideas. As people have heard me saying often, the NextGen programme is surely an opportunity for participants, but is also - and for me foremost - an opportunity to have a fresh view and to hear what people outside the ICANN circles think and feel. This has been always important, but now that we are living through an epochal change, it has become necessary. The key question is "what is really ICANN for?”. Is it just about regulating the domain name market or about establishing a multistakeholder governance model for the Internet of which the management of domain names is just an example? Looking forward to a meeting in Seattle that is happening in interesting times, where I fear we may appreciate to which extent the new approach to geopolitics is changing the paradigm. Roberto On 05.03.2025, at 15:26, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Hi All Although all the topics are interesting they are some that is out of scope box ICANN, this is a problem for the Fellowship and NExgen which is detached for the core mission. Each of these presentations should be mapped to Icann policies, SO and AC activities. We have people getting a glimpse but not a real picture. It's not valuable to most and a disservice and anthems to the goals of efficiency and the strategic plans. G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 5 Mar 2025, 4:16 am Emilia Zalewska-Czajczyńska via At-Large, <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Roberto, Thank you for sharing. The list of topics looks highly interesting, especially that some of them concern relatively fresh events (like the TikTok ban). Definitely worth attending. Best regards, Emilia From: Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:02 PM To: At Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: Fernanda Iunes <fernanda.iunes@icann.org<mailto:fernanda.iunes@icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] NextGen presentations UWAGA: Ta wiadomość pochodzi od zewnętrznego nadawcy - zachowaj ostrożność, szczególnie w przypadku linków i załączników. Dear all, With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82. This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems. I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions. 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particularly useful could be the joint session today at 16:30 with At-Large and NextGen/Fellows I hope it will be well attended r On 08.03.2025, at 11:22, Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Roberto and all, glad to see this thread unfolding. Getting more young end users involved at ICANN is indeed proving forever more challenging, thank you all for all your efforts in trying to attend to this issue. Would it make sense to bring this theme to the foreground of our At-Large discussions in Seattle or beyond, and suggest a productive and actionable way forward? One that goes beyond SIGs and the NextGen programme - a strategic plan that we can get our ALSes to work on? Would love to brainstorm with you on these, Thanks and best, Joanna sob., 8 mar 2025 o 19:43 Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> napisał(a): Glenn, Never say never. I said three times: “This is my last ICANN meeting”. In Berlin 1999, in Seul 2009, in Kobe 2019. We’ll find some time to chat this week. R On 08.03.2025, at 09:17, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org> wrote: Hi Roberto Oh boy, you are making a number of valid points which isn't far off my intentions of my original emails. As you know I have been around the block with IEEE, ISOC, ICANN NDIA and others all of which at the end user side of things except a failed attempt with .GREEN ( Long story) I am happy to sit down in a small group without staff or NexGen to wax poetically on these issues. Let me know a good time for you during the meeting . I am leaving early Thurs morning and never returning to ICANN. My last swan song G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualsig.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C24b3fb73112b473a9b5a08dd5e76a639%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638770585866230392%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=3N5Kz0VH9ltobJTHut6WAocFevyLEsQBd60fFsL9GS4%3D&reserved=0<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 at 20:08, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, After this message there were a couple of other contributions mostly by private messages. However, since the issue raised by Glenn is important, and may be discussed in more detail in Seattle, and even among the people more involved in the NextGen program, let me paste here some considerations that can be useful for a discussion involving all of us, as it has to do with what we exactly want from the NextGenners When I started this thread I thought that I was just giving a bit of information and an encouragement to participate to the NextGen presentations sessions. It turns out that there are several good points that provoke further thoughts. I start from the detail to close with the helicopter view. First point, the schedule is such that participation to the presentations is difficult because of conflicting schedule with other important topics. Fair enough. But we must note that the reverse is also true, that NextGenners are prevented from attending important sessions taking place at the same time. In particular, I note the At-Large Plenary https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ficann82.sched.com%2Fevent%2F1vpZw%2Fat-large-plenary-1-core-internet-values-evolution-and-challenges-for-icann&data=05%7C02%7C<https://icann82.sched.com/event/1vpZw/at-large-plenary-1-core-internet-values-evolution-and-challenges-for-icann>%7C24b3fb73112b473a9b5a08dd5e76a639%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638770585866250690%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f95FO91qmnR9TXrGF3W0Jw83ms2z6XjSRHLc8tS130A%3D&reserved=0, that would be something of the paramount interest to newcomers but also an excellent opportunity for “oldcomers” to hear from newcomers their view on the Internet and its core values. The schedule reflects the (perceived) importance of the events. Obviously two “top hit” events would never be placed at the same time. There must be a way to increase the (perceived) importance of the NextGen presentations to favour a better placement in the schedule. Incidentally, I note that while a recording is always available, people who do not have the chance, because of conflicting sessions, to attend the presentations will miss what is an important part: the opportunity to ask questions and to make an immediate contact with the speaker, possibly with a follow up in the rest of the week, because in most cases the recordings will be looked at only at the end of the conference, once back home. BTW, I am encouraging my mentees to join the NARALO Town Hall, so that some communication could be established with what would be their natural “port of entry” in the NA ICANN community: the “At-Large”, as the name suggests. Then they can move to a more specific stakeholder group, depending on their specific interests. A second point is about the content of the presentations being in line with the ICANN scope and priorities. Besides the fact that we have just the titles and not the content, so it is probably premature to pass judgement, I honestly cannot see which would be the three presentations that could be considered out of scope. This said, I have a few considerations in reply to this. The first one is that the instructions given were to talk about something that they know and they care about, knowing what the scope of ICANN is (they have attended all the compulsory ICANN Learn training courses, so they have a good - albeit theoretical - understanding of ICANN). I cannot speak for other mentors, but in discussions with my mentees I have alway made clear what the ICANN remit is but have also not discouraged them to add facts or considerations that were important to them. However, what strikes me most in the list of titles is not that there may be a couple of ones that could be perceived out of ICANN’s scope, but that there is only one title out of twelve that mentions gTLDs. In short, not the presence of unusual items, but the absence of “the topic”, on which we incumbents spend actually the greater part of our efforts. And this brings me straight into the final consideration. True, things are radically changing. They have been always on the move, but this beginning of 2025 will probably witness a paradigm change. Yes, "Blood will be spilled and we need to be strategic […]”. That needs to bring us back to the founding principles: why did we create ICANN, what was the objective, what have we done so far and what remains to be done - or must be changed. In this situation the last thing that I would do, having the opportunity to have young enthusiast newcomers, at their first contact with ICANN, telling us something that may be different from repeating time and again the same old stories, is to straightjacket them into a sandbox. Let’s let them speak up, and tell us what is important for them in what they see as the ICANN remit, and then judge what is in scope and what out of scope, but after a discussion within us. This is their first experience, they will decide whether in ICANN there is too much talking about things they do not care about and leave, or decide that they can have a role in it, and continue. And we all will benefit from new ideas. As people have heard me saying often, the NextGen programme is surely an opportunity for participants, but is also - and for me foremost - an opportunity to have a fresh view and to hear what people outside the ICANN circles think and feel. This has been always important, but now that we are living through an epochal change, it has become necessary. The key question is "what is really ICANN for?”. Is it just about regulating the domain name market or about establishing a multistakeholder governance model for the Internet of which the management of domain names is just an example? Looking forward to a meeting in Seattle that is happening in interesting times, where I fear we may appreciate to which extent the new approach to geopolitics is changing the paradigm. Roberto On 05.03.2025, at 15:26, Glenn McKnight via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Hi All Although all the topics are interesting they are some that is out of scope box ICANN, this is a problem for the Fellowship and NExgen which is detached for the core mission. Each of these presentations should be mapped to Icann policies, SO and AC activities. We have people getting a glimpse but not a real picture. It's not valuable to most and a disservice and anthems to the goals of efficiency and the strategic plans. G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virtualsig.org%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C24b3fb73112b473a9b5a08dd5e76a639%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638770585866262212%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ss5K8DuQzIanSzEuzmk81%2FHBIm1TV8inp8aVq0NHjEA%3D&reserved=0<http://www.virtualsig.org/> YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION Mobile 437-237-4655 On Wed, 5 Mar 2025, 4:16 am Emilia Zalewska-Czajczyńska via At-Large, <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Roberto, Thank you for sharing. The list of topics looks highly interesting, especially that some of them concern relatively fresh events (like the TikTok ban). Definitely worth attending. Best regards, Emilia From: Roberto Gaetano via At-Large <at-large@icann.org<mailto:at-large@icann.org>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 5:02 PM To: At Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Cc: Fernanda Iunes <fernanda.iunes@icann.org<mailto:fernanda.iunes@icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] NextGen presentations UWAGA: Ta wiadomość pochodzi od zewnętrznego nadawcy - zachowaj ostrożność, szczególnie w przypadku linków i załączników. Dear all, With the permission of the NextGen coordinator, who reads in copy, may I send you the schedule of the NextGen presentations that will take place Tuesday 11 and Wednesday 12 March at ICANN82. This will be a good opportunity for hearing what their view is on the different topics, as they will bring a fresh look to old problems. I hope that we will have a good attendance to these sessions. 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On Sun, Mar 9, 2025 at 8:18 AM Christian de Larrinaga via At-Large < at-large@icann.org> wrote:

ICANN is not proved to be a good model for DNS let alone Internet Governance outside the business interests of DNS registry industry it created and perpetuates. At least as things stand.

Exactly. I have recently been involved in some high-level consultations on IG, and when discussing models of effective multistakeholder participation, ICANN's is *never* raised as a positive example. Netmundial is usually offered as a preferred approach, as are bicameral models featuring separate but co-dependent commercial/government bodies (think ICAO/IATA). Heck, even the hum-fests at IETF are considered a better method of community-building and decision-making. Whatever ICANN calls its model, it does not appear to be a foundation of interest in the next generation of governance of anything. Its only champions are those inside the ICANN bubble who (a) profit from it or (b) are too emotionally invested to view it critically. While the DNS infrastructure is still a critical part of the Internet, "memorable domain names" are not. The former is well-managed by ICANN's technical advisory committees, though I suggest those are more expert-driven than multistakeholder. The latter is an obtuse mess, accountable really to nobody outside ICANN except the California AG, that uses (what it calls) multistakeholderism as a smokescreen to enable an industry to regulate itself. It just might be the forerunner of what Silicon Valley now calls "permissionless innovation", except there's precious little actual innovation going on. Bottom line: ICANN is getting ever more complex at governing a component of the Internet that is becoming ever less relevant. Nobody on the outside advocates for ICANN to overhaul its models and processes because nobody outside the bubble really cares ... so long as RSAC, SSAC etc fulfil their roles. Despite its best efforts ICANN has not destroyed the appeal of multistakeholderism, but it does offer a shining example of what not to do. Expect the concept to take very different forms in governance structures for the future being developed at WSIS and elsewhere. Evan Leibovitch Toronto