Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please
...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language. -Carlton ============================== *Carlton A Samuels* *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> wrote:
There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :(
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please
This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology.
It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen.
This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications.
So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance."
For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together."
I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine.
--karl--
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Hi, waxing nostalgic for face-to-face communication in a group that is discussing how online communications don't scale satisfactorily is a bit more than paradoxal. And certainly it is out of place at the rise of a new era of increased restrictions on travel and ingress to countries and regions. It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure. Today at least one Director is liable to be barred by law in the opposite direction, and many more in the community will have to think twice before joining. Can we go back to a realistic discussion on improving online communication for a set of participants many of whom are impeded to access high-bandwidth, powerful-interface connections and devices? Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 20 de febrero de 2017 15:54 Hasta: Seth M Reiss CC: At-Large Worldwide Asunto: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please ...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com<mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com>> wrote: There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :( -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology. It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen. This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications. So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance." For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together." I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine. --karl-- _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
On 2/20/17 9:39 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
> It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN
> Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure.
1. I attended nearly every board meeting during my term, including
several outside of N. America. My record is still online. Why would
one want to disseminate such a sorry canard?
In addition, after my seat was erased I attended ICANN board-created
committee meetings in Europe and elsewhere at which I was instrumental
in in mitigating the destruction of the system of publicly elected
directors that had occurred by helping to bring forth the representation
(albeit limited to one seat) that the public now has on ICANN's board.
I might suggest to those reading this that they inquire as to the names
of the prime movers on ICANN's board who sought to erase the system
which had brought publicly selected directors onto that board.
And up to that time I was the only director who had ever bothered to
exercise due diligence and inquire, as a director is empowered to do,
into the adequacy of ICANN's business and financial practices. As a
result of my efforts ICANN's financial position was made more clear (for
instance I clarified whether a $667,000 body of money was a loan to
ICANN, a gift, or a pre-payment on future fees), and as a result of my
efforts ICANN began to formalize its employee policies and bring them
into conformance with the law, and as a result ICANN began to require
more formal documentation and approvals for travel, and as a result
ICANN's board was put onto a road that eventually resulted in better
taking and publication of minutes and votes.
--karl--
Karl, can we stick to the communications project? there are widely differing views about the rest. Alejandro Pisanty On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Karl Auerbach <karl@cavebear.com> wrote:
On 2/20/17 9:39 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure.
1. I attended nearly every board meeting during my term, including several outside of N. America. My record is still online. Why would one want to disseminate such a sorry canard?
In addition, after my seat was erased I attended ICANN board-created committee meetings in Europe and elsewhere at which I was instrumental in in mitigating the destruction of the system of publicly elected directors that had occurred by helping to bring forth the representation (albeit limited to one seat) that the public now has on ICANN's board. I might suggest to those reading this that they inquire as to the names of the prime movers on ICANN's board who sought to erase the system which had brought publicly selected directors onto that board.
And up to that time I was the only director who had ever bothered to exercise due diligence and inquire, as a director is empowered to do, into the adequacy of ICANN's business and financial practices. As a result of my efforts ICANN's financial position was made more clear (for instance I clarified whether a $667,000 body of money was a loan to ICANN, a gift, or a pre-payment on future fees), and as a result of my efforts ICANN began to formalize its employee policies and bring them into conformance with the law, and as a result ICANN began to require more formal documentation and approvals for travel, and as a result ICANN's board was put onto a road that eventually resulted in better taking and publication of minutes and votes.
--karl--
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I am supporting Alex here , we really need to improve online communication, using as much as possible mobile facilities to reach everyone. I normally work with my foreign clients using Webex ,that is like Adobe, but all of those software that I know are still working poorly in mobiles than in computers , not providing ,or providing with some constrains. some of the facilities provided to computers. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alejandro Baruch <apisan@unam.mx> Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:39 AM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please Hi, waxing nostalgic for face-to-face communication in a group that is discussing how online communications don't scale satisfactorily is a bit more than paradoxal. And certainly it is out of place at the rise of a new era of increased restrictions on travel and ingress to countries and regions. It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure. Today at least one Director is liable to be barred by law in the opposite direction, and many more in the community will have to think twice before joining. Can we go back to a realistic discussion on improving online communication for a set of participants many of whom are impeded to access high-bandwidth, powerful-interface connections and devices? Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 20 de febrero de 2017 15:54 Hasta: Seth M Reiss CC: At-Large Worldwide Asunto: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please ...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com<mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com>> wrote: There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :( -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology. It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen. This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications. So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance." For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together." I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine. --karl-- _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
Slack? Best regards, John Laprise, Ph.D. Consulting Scholar <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/ From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Vanda Scartezini Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:53 AM To: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan@unam.mx>; Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>; Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please Importance: High I am supporting Alex here , we really need to improve online communication, using as much as possible mobile facilities to reach everyone. I normally work with my foreign clients using Webex ,that is like Adobe, but all of those software that I know are still working poorly in mobiles than in computers , not providing ,or providing with some constrains. some of the facilities provided to computers. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. HAPPY 2017! From: <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > on behalf of Alejandro Baruch <apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Date: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:39 AM To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> >, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com <mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> > Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please Hi, waxing nostalgic for face-to-face communication in a group that is discussing how online communications don't scale satisfactorily is a bit more than paradoxal. And certainly it is out of place at the rise of a new era of increased restrictions on travel and ingress to countries and regions. It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure. Today at least one Director is liable to be barred by law in the opposite direction, and many more in the community will have to think twice before joining. Can we go back to a realistic discussion on improving online communication for a set of participants many of whom are impeded to access high-bandwidth, powerful-interface connections and devices? Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _____ Desde: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] Enviado el: lunes, 20 de febrero de 2017 15:54 Hasta: Seth M Reiss CC: At-Large Worldwide Asunto: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please ...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com <mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> > wrote: There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :( -----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology. It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen. This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications. So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance." For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together." I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine. --karl-- _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
Especially if your bandwidth is limited or sporadic, then email is by far the most efficient way to communicate. Julf On 21-02-17 16:53, Vanda Scarteziniwrote:
I am supporting Alex here , we really need to improve online communication, using as much as possible mobile facilities to reach everyone.
I normally work with my foreign clients using Webex ,that is like Adobe, but all of those software that I know are still working poorly in mobiles than in computers , not providing ,or providing with some constrains. some of the facilities provided to computers.
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*From: *<at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alejandro Baruch <apisan@unam.mx> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 2:39 AM *To: *Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com> *Cc: *'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please
Hi,
waxing nostalgic for face-to-face communication in a group that is discussing how online communications don't scale satisfactorily is a bit more than paradoxal.
And certainly it is out of place at the rise of a new era of increased restrictions on travel and ingress to countries and regions.
It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure. Today at least one Director is liable to be barred by law in the opposite direction, and many more in the community will have to think twice before joining.
Can we go back to a realistic discussion on improving online communication for a set of participants many of whom are impeded to access high-bandwidth, powerful-interface connections and devices?
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química UNAM
Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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*Desde:*at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* lunes, 20 de febrero de 2017 15:54 *Hasta:* Seth M Reiss *CC:* At-Large Worldwide *Asunto:* Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please
...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language.
-Carlton
============================== /Carlton A Samuels/ /Mobile: 876-818-1799 //Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround/ =============================
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com <mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com>> wrote:
There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :(
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Karl Auerbach Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 11:12 AM To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Unsubscribe me please
This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology.
It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather, informal, self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen.
This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications.
So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance."
For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together."
I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine.
--karl--
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most of messengers (group chat) platforms support low bandwidth and doesn't require any development and support. it would be interesting to know who from Atlarge community is not using any messenger. wbr --andrei 2017-02-21 21:50 GMT+03:00 Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com>:
Especially if your bandwidth is limited or sporadic, then email is by far the most efficient way to communicate.
Julf
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I am supporting Alex here , we really need to improve online communication, using as much as possible mobile facilities to reach everyone.
I normally work with my foreign clients using Webex ,that is like Adobe, but all of those software that I know are still working poorly in mobiles than in computers , not providing ,or providing with some constrains. some of the facilities provided to computers.
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Hi,
waxing nostalgic for face-to-face communication in a group that is discussing how online communications don't scale satisfactorily is a bit more than paradoxal.
And certainly it is out of place at the rise of a new era of increased restrictions on travel and ingress to countries and regions.
It is also notable given the experience that even Karl as an ICANN Director only attended one meeting outside the US during his tenure. Today at least one Director is liable to be barred by law in the opposite direction, and many more in the community will have to think twice before joining.
Can we go back to a realistic discussion on improving online communication for a set of participants many of whom are impeded to access high-bandwidth, powerful-interface connections and devices?
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...I so feel your pain! I like talking f2f....and reading body language.
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:35 PM, Seth M Reiss <seth.reiss@lex-ip.com <mailto:seth.reiss@lex-ip.com>> wrote:
There used to be two of us on this small Island, and he was good at talking over a beer, but then he (Randal) left :(
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This is an interesting thread. However, it tends to express solutions that are all based on technology.
It has been my experience that technical means of communication work best when they are punctuated by actual face-to-face meetings. Now, I do not mean grand and glorious jet-setting meetings but, rather,
informal,
self-organized get-togethers of people in two's, three's, ... even a dozen.
This kind of face-to-face this is important. It is pretty amazing what people can do when they get past the friction and propensity to misconstrue that comes with electronic communications.
So whatever might be done electronically, I suggest that people consider meet one another for coffee of a beer and just chat. Just possibly that chat might give rise to a solution to some hard problem. Or it might create an understanding that lets us step back from the tensions of electronic communications and say to ourselves - "I have met that person, I know that he/she is intelligent and well intentioned. Perhaps our disagreement arises out of misunderstanding one another's words rather than something of irreconcilable substance."
For example, any one of us could put up a flag - as a tweet or an email or facebook post - and say something like "Hey, folks, I'm happy to meet with anyone in the area for coffee or lunch, just drop me a note a xxxx and let's see if we can get together."
I realize that this is not a useful option for those of us who are not in population centers, on islands, or others who would find informal, largely unfocused, small meetings to be expensive or inconvenient. But consider that in our new era that we might look for several, overlapping, sometimes informal means of interaction rather than some single all-encompassing engine.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com> wrote:
Especially if your bandwidth is limited or sporadic, then email is by far the most efficient way to communicate.
Julf
As a New Yorker who spends plenty of time in transit underground I really appreciate that gmail makes email available on my phone for offline threaded reading. No wonder so many people use it. j -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -
+1 Joly, Regards On Feb 22, 2017 6:58 AM, "Joly MacFie" <joly@punkcast.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com> wrote:
Especially if your bandwidth is limited or sporadic, then email is by far the most efficient way to communicate.
Julf
As a New Yorker who spends plenty of time in transit underground I really appreciate that gmail makes email available on my phone for offline threaded reading. No wonder so many people use it.
j
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On 22-02-17 04:56, Joly MacFie wrote:
As a New Yorker who spends plenty of time in transit underground I really appreciate that gmail makes email available on my phone for offline threaded reading. No wonder so many people use it.
Not to mention time in airplanes (no, I won't pay silly prices for very slow in-flight wifi...). Julf
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Alejandro Pisanty -
Andrei Kolesnikov -
Barrack Otieno -
Carlton Samuels -
Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch -
Johan Helsingius -
John Laprise -
Joly MacFie -
Karl Auerbach -
Vanda Scartezini