Re: [At-Large] RES: [ALAC] Summary Minutes 14 October 2008
(moving this to the global list)
Hi Nick
Far much better than the former operator. During board meetings last year was terrible!!! This was a real improvement.
Vanda, thanks this is good to hear. But if Cheryl is saying "ADIGO was in total meltdown" and two people complained about not being able access the system from Europe, then it's far from perfect.
Sure lot's of different kind of connection introduce noises and depend upon the people is, connection becomes awful. Today at LacRALO was almost impossible to hear Jose Luis, but afterwards it became much better. We have improved our calls going mute when we need to be at mobile, getting out of the call when we are the source of noise in favor of the colleagues etc. That is the reality and we need to survive with this, but we do improve a lot the issue calls in ICANN the last year ( I am in this game for almost 9 years now)
You're right. ICANN must organize hundreds of hours of teleconferences each year, teleconferences are essential to policy work and any inefficiency a drain on resources. Learning from what works best would seem sensible. Perhaps time for an ICANN community wide study? Adam
Best to all
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-----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Nick Ashton-Hart Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de outubro de 2008 10:55 Para: Adam Peake; ALAC Working List Assunto: Re: [ALAC] Summary Minutes 14 October 2008
Adigo is a big improvement over Verizon (other parts of Policy are slowly moving over to Adigo actually because it is better).
Verizon is in particular very bad when using interpretation.
When people use mobile phones, and VoIP services on teleconference bridges, it introduces problems. Our calls are far more complex than any other part of ICANN as we routinely have more people from more developing countries participating in many of our calls.
On 16/10/2008 14:41, "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
Is Adigo often unreliable? Couple of people on the last EU RALO board call mentioned problems.
I've heard good things about the GNSO's calls, and remember while the NomCom's service had problems reaching a few countries, it was pretty solid.
Could ICANN consolidate it's teleconference services? Or at least ALAC should look for something that works.
Adam
Thanks for this... I must say as ADIGO was in total meltdown the day before I'm not surprised there was some tech difficulties I'm just thankful it was so minimal and we'll manage with only partial audio if needs be :-)
CLO
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 8:14 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: [ALAC] Summary Minutes 14 October 2008
Dear all,
The summary minutes and action items of yesterday's ALAC teleconference are now up on the meeting page:
https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?14_october_2008_summary_minutes
You can also find them attached below. Please note that the the summary minutes are not final until adoption by the ALAC. Due to a technical problem the audio recording of this meeting is currently unavailable. If we missed parts of the conversation, it is noted in the minutes. Please edit the summary minutes directly online if you believe that something is missing or misrepresented.
Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org
(snip)
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As I announced during last week, there was a technical failure in the supply chain at Adigo, which did disrupt one call on one day, after which time they moved to a redundant backup system. This is the meltdown Cheryl's referring to. As I said, we really aren't going to find perfection in teleconference providers, what with voip calls and mobiles in remote locations on bridges, and adding in simultaneous interpretation. Finally, we're really under the gun here as I believe everyone knows, being down a member of staff during a really busy time. May I suggest that this discussion be tabled until a later time, at least? We are not in any position to go into detailed analyses of teleconference providers now. I would venture to say that the vast majority of the volunteer community in At-Large didn't get involved in policy development at ICANN so they could become involved in analysis of telecommunications providers, either. We've (staff, at least) got to concentrate on supporting upcoming meetings in Cairo. I would also say that a very full plate of policy issues will be on everyone's plate within a day or two with the release of New GTLD documents of considerable size as well as a document on the At-Large review from the BGC-ALRWG. On 17/10/2008 07:19, "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote: (moving this to the global list)
Hi Nick
Far much better than the former operator. During board meetings last year was terrible!!! This was a real improvement.
Vanda, thanks this is good to hear. But if Cheryl is saying "ADIGO was in total meltdown" and two people complained about not being able access the system from Europe, then it's far from perfect.
Sure lot's of different kind of connection introduce noises and depend upon the people is, connection becomes awful. Today at LacRALO was almost impossible to hear Jose Luis, but afterwards it became much better. We have improved our calls going mute when we need to be at mobile, getting out of the call when we are the source of noise in favor of the colleagues etc. That is the reality and we need to survive with this, but we do improve a lot the issue calls in ICANN the last year ( I am in this game for almost 9 years now)
You're right. ICANN must organize hundreds of hours of teleconferences each year, teleconferences are essential to policy work and any inefficiency a drain on resources. Learning from what works best would seem sensible. Perhaps time for an ICANN community wide study? Adam
Best to all
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br ? Before print think about the Environment "The information contained in this message - and attached files - is restricted, and its confidentiality protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message and notify the sender immediately. Please be advised that the improper use of the aforementioned information will create grounds for legal action."
"As informações existentes nesta mensagem e nos arquivos anexados são para uso restrito, com sigilo protegido por lei. Caso não seja o destinatário, favor apagar esta mensagem e notificar o remetente. O uso impróprio das informações desta mensagem será tratado conforme a legislação em vigor."
-----Mensagem original----- De: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Nick Ashton-Hart Enviada em: quinta-feira, 16 de outubro de 2008 10:55 Para: Adam Peake; ALAC Working List Assunto: Re: [ALAC] Summary Minutes 14 October 2008
Adigo is a big improvement over Verizon (other parts of Policy are slowly moving over to Adigo actually because it is better).
Verizon is in particular very bad when using interpretation.
When people use mobile phones, and VoIP services on teleconference bridges, it introduces problems. Our calls are far more complex than any other part of ICANN as we routinely have more people from more developing countries participating in many of our calls.
On 16/10/2008 14:41, "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
Is Adigo often unreliable? Couple of people on the last EU RALO board call mentioned problems.
I've heard good things about the GNSO's calls, and remember while the NomCom's service had problems reaching a few countries, it was pretty solid.
Could ICANN consolidate it's teleconference services? Or at least ALAC should look for something that works.
Adam
Thanks for this... I must say as ADIGO was in total meltdown the day before I'm not surprised there was some tech difficulties I'm just thankful it was so minimal and we'll manage with only partial audio if needs be :-)
CLO
-----Original Message----- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of At-Large Staff Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 8:14 PM To: ALAC Working List Subject: [ALAC] Summary Minutes 14 October 2008
Dear all,
The summary minutes and action items of yesterday's ALAC teleconference are now up on the meeting page:
https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?14_october_2008_summary_minutes
You can also find them attached below. Please note that the the summary minutes are not final until adoption by the ALAC. Due to a technical problem the audio recording of this meeting is currently unavailable. If we missed parts of the conversation, it is noted in the minutes. Please edit the summary minutes directly online if you believe that something is missing or misrepresented.
Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart, Matthias Langenegger, Frederic Teboul ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org
(snip)
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Regards,
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As I announced during last week, there was a technical failure in the supply chain at Adigo, which did disrupt one call on one day, after which time they moved to a redundant backup system. This is the meltdown Cheryl's referring to.
Sorry, missed your email about that, where was it sent? Still trying to find my way with all the lists etc. Thanks.
As I said, we really aren't going to find perfection in teleconference providers, what with voip calls and mobiles in remote locations on bridges, and adding in simultaneous interpretation.
Muting in Adigo (rather than using mute on the phone) should prevent any noise from a bad connection. Least that's how I understand the teleconferences normally works. Not an expert though.
Finally, we're really under the gun here as I believe everyone knows, being down a member of staff during a really busy time. May I suggest that this discussion be tabled until a later time,
Sure, I wasn't suggesting ICANN stop all work and focus on teleconference solutions.
at least?
"at least" ?
We are not in any position to go into detailed analyses of teleconference providers now. I would venture to say that the vast majority of the volunteer community in At-Large didn't get involved in policy development at ICANN so they could become involved in analysis of telecommunications providers, either.
Teleconferences are essential to our work, an essential resource, and the system used now doesn't seem to work as well as it should. Let's try and improve it and make our policy work easier. Not something that we need to make a great fuss about -- but it shouldn't be hard to get a snapshot of what's used with what success. I'll take it up after Cairo.
We've (staff, at least) got to concentrate on supporting upcoming meetings in Cairo. I would also say that a very full plate of policy issues will be on everyone's plate within a day or two with the release of New GTLD documents of considerable size as well as a document on the At-Large review from the BGC-ALRWG.
Good to hear. Thanks, Adam
On 17/10/2008 07:19, "Adam Peake" <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
(moving this to the global list)
Hi Nick
Far much better than the former operator. During board meetings last year was terrible!!! This was a real improvement.
Vanda, thanks this is good to hear. But if Cheryl is saying "ADIGO was in total meltdown" and two people complained about not being able access the system from Europe, then it's far from perfect.
Sure lot's of different kind of connection introduce noises and depend upon the people is, connection becomes awful. Today at LacRALO was almost impossible to hear Jose Luis, but afterwards it became much better. We have improved our calls going mute when we need to be at mobile, getting out of the call when we are the source of noise in favor of the colleagues etc. That is the reality and we need to survive with this, but we do improve a lot the issue calls in ICANN the last year ( I am in this game for almost 9 years now)
You're right. ICANN must organize hundreds of hours of teleconferences each year, teleconferences are essential to policy work and any inefficiency a drain on resources. Learning from what works best would seem sensible. Perhaps time for an ICANN community wide study?
Adam
Best to all
Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Alameda Santos 1470 #1407 Tel - +55113266.6253 Mob- +55118181.1464 vanda@uol.com.br
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