I think a regional pilot makes good sense. On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 8:49 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Curious on the last Atlarge survey results and the impact of any implementation. If I recall some regions were less active in participation, I think NARALO had a low participation rate. So we have a number of issues . 1. Participation rate and 2. Strategy for implementation and its impact G Glenn McKnight, MA Virtual School of Internet Governance Chief Information Officer www.virtualsig.org *YOUR SOURCE FOR INTERNET GOVERNANCE EDUCATION * On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:42 AM sivasubramanian muthusamy via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Greg,

Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot?

On Tue, May 11, 2021, 18:30 Greg Shatan via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

I think a regional pilot makes good sense.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 8:49 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot?

Really? Is "Does it cost more to do a global survey than a regional one?" a useful question? I would especially like to hear from those who helped support Jonathan in identifying the problem and making the original request. Responding that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point. The proposal is not final; it still needs to be approved by the Board. I encourage Leon and Avri to support, and even advocate this when it comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have always felt that this is the only form of "outreach" that actually helps ALAC to perform its bylaw mandate. If granted it will be vital to deliver something useful, even if limited in scope to accommodate the resources available. To everyone who is interested in contributing meaningfully to this effort -- assuming it is approved -- please start giving some thought to the strategy of what we want from this. Once there is consensus on that I think the questions will flow naturally. Also consider that, depending on what we want from this effort, some of the raw research may already exist and be available for purchase. We're not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet. - Evan

Thanking to Leon to embrace such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect the data, but to build the right questions, analyze the answers and then present the statistically relevant data with a large annex with the methodology used for such analysis. And yes, depending on the data there are several studies we could use, or even just comparing with data we collect. Ralos can be used to spread the survey inside their regions. Hope we can do such survey. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Reply-To: León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21 To: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> Cc: Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org>, 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Thanks Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion and that the project will have my support. I will try to encourage other Board colleagues to do the same. Kind regards, León El 11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> escribió: Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot? Really? Is "Does it cost more to do a global survey than a regional one?" a useful question? I would especially like to hear from those who helped support Jonathan in identifying the problem and making the original request. Responding that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point. The proposal is not final; it still needs to be approved by the Board. I encourage Leon and Avri to support, and even advocate this when it comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have always felt that this is the only form of "outreach" that actually helps ALAC to perform its bylaw mandate. If granted it will be vital to deliver something useful, even if limited in scope to accommodate the resources available. To everyone who is interested in contributing meaningfully to this effort -- assuming it is approved -- please start giving some thought to the strategy of what we want from this. Once there is consensus on that I think the questions will flow naturally. Also consider that, depending on what we want from this effort, some of the raw research may already exist and be available for purchase. We're not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet. - Evan _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA)  which operates the .ca domain name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their community investment program. The link below goes to such a recent survey which went out to  recipients of this grant. The description of this survey group come pretty close to the end users we are looking for. Maybe we could take some guidance from this: https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspecti... <https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspecti...> In January and February 2018, CIRA reached out to organizations across Canada through a survey, phone interviews and video interviews to help identify key issues, needs and funding gaps with respect to internet infrastructure, digital access, digital literacy and funding gaps. In particular, CIRA sought out grassroots organizations and individuals working in and around Canada’s internet, including not-for-profits, charities, academics and small internet service providers. The survey CIRA shared with organizations in Canada sought to learn more about their perspectives, experiences and challenges. Follow-up interviews were conducted with some participants. Marita On 5/12/2021 2:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large wrote:

I really, REALLY, encourage people to read the actual funding request before seeing the word "poll" and "At-Large" together and jumping to conclusions.

The request is *NOT* for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a form of R&D never before done by ALAC.

It is explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have never even heard the terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their opinions of how DNS policies and practises affect their use and trust of the Internet.

The funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random samples of people *everywhere*.

In these cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited (but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.

If anyone here is aware of any studies such as Vanda suggests that could help this effort, now is the time to identify them.

Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56

On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 12:49, Vanda Scartezini via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:

Thanking to Leon to embrace such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect the data, but to build the right questions, analyze the answers and then present the statistically relevant data with a large annex with the methodology used for such analysis.

And yes, depending on the data there are several studies we could use, or even just comparing with data we collect.

Ralos can be used to spread the survey inside their regions.

Hope we can do such survey.

*/Vanda Scartezini/*

*/Polo Consultores Associados/*

*/Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004/*

*/01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil/*

*/Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253/*

*/Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 /*

*/Sorry for any typos. /*

*From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *Reply-To: *León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx>> *Date: *Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21 *To: *Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org <mailto:evan@telly.org>> *Cc: *Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org <mailto:greg@isoc-ny.org>>, 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Thanks Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion and that the project will have my support. I will try to encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.

Kind regards,

León

El 11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> escribió:

Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot?

Really?

Is "Does it cost more to do a global survey than a regional one?" a useful question?

I would especially like to hear from those who helped support Jonathan in identifying the problem and making the original request. Responding that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point.

The proposal is not final; it still needs to be approved by the Board. I encourage Leon and Avri to support, and even advocate this when it comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have always felt that this is the only form of "outreach" that actually helps ALAC to perform its bylaw mandate. If granted it will be vital to deliver something useful, even if limited in scope to accommodate the resources available.

To everyone who is interested in contributing meaningfully to this effort -- assuming it is approved -- please start giving some thought to the strategy of what we want from this. Once there is consensus on that I think the questions will flow naturally.

Also consider that, depending on what we want from this effort, some of the raw research may already exist and be available for purchase. We're not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet.

- Evan

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There's a menu: Known knowns Unknown knowns Known unknowns Unknown unknowns. This list can be pared to half size pretty easily once one has a well-identified problem to solve. Or shorter, if one doesn't. +1 to Roberto. Alejandro Pisanty On Wed, May 12, 2021, 14:47 Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Thanks Marita. At some point, down the road, we'll need help a survey firm identify the "population," from which to draw a random sample to survey. This will be guided by the kind of questions we want to ask so THAT is the first task. What would we like to hear from individual users on?

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

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The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) which operates the .ca domain name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their community investment program. The link below goes to such a recent survey which went out to recipients of this grant. The description of this survey group come pretty close to the end users we are looking for. Maybe we could take some guidance from this:

https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspecti...

In January and February 2018, CIRA reached out to organizations across Canada through a survey, phone interviews and video interviews to help identify key issues, needs and funding gaps with respect to internet infrastructure, digital access, digital literacy and funding gaps. In particular, CIRA sought out grassroots organizations and individuals working in and around Canada’s internet, including not-for-profits, charities, academics and small internet service providers. The survey CIRA shared with organizations in Canada sought to learn more about their perspectives, experiences and challenges. Follow-up interviews were conducted with some participants.

Marita

On 5/12/2021 2:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large wrote:

I really, REALLY, encourage people to read the actual funding request before seeing the word "poll" and "At-Large" together and jumping to conclusions.

The request is *NOT* for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a form of R&D never before done by ALAC.

It is explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have never even heard the terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their opinions of how DNS policies and practises affect their use and trust of the Internet.

The funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random samples of people *everywhere*.

In these cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited (but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.

If anyone here is aware of any studies such as Vanda suggests that could help this effort, now is the time to identify them.

Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56

On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 12:49, Vanda Scartezini via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Thanking to Leon to embrace such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect the data, but to build the right questions, analyze the answers and then present the statistically relevant data with a large annex with the methodology used for such analysis.

And yes, depending on the data there are several studies we could use, or even just comparing with data we collect.

Ralos can be used to spread the survey inside their regions.

Hope we can do such survey.

*Vanda Scartezini*

*Polo Consultores Associados*

*Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*

*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*

*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253*

*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 *

*Sorry for any typos. *

*From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of 'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Reply-To: *León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe@sanchez.mx> *Date: *Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 13:21 *To: *Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> *Cc: *Greg Shatan <greg@isoc-ny.org>, 'At-Large Worldwide' < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Thanks Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion and that the project will have my support. I will try to encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.

Kind regards,

León

El 11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> escribió:

Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot?

Really?

Is "Does it cost more to do a global survey than a regional one?" a useful question?

I would especially like to hear from those who helped support Jonathan in identifying the problem and making the original request. Responding that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point.

The proposal is not final; it still needs to be approved by the Board. I encourage Leon and Avri to support, and even advocate this when it comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have always felt that this is the only form of "outreach" that actually helps ALAC to perform its bylaw mandate. If granted it will be vital to deliver something useful, even if limited in scope to accommodate the resources available.

To everyone who is interested in contributing meaningfully to this effort -- assuming it is approved -- please start giving some thought to the strategy of what we want from this. Once there is consensus on that I think the questions will flow naturally.

Also consider that, depending on what we want from this effort, some of the raw research may already exist and be available for purchase. We're not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet.

- Evan

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On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 19:19, Marita Moll via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Ind. users might not distinguish the Internet from Facebook

That is actually relevant to us, because that portion of the end-user base isn't really impacted by domain names at all if their whole online world is accessed through apps rather than domains. Yes, *we* know that Internet addressing is being used, but these end-users are hidden from it totally. I actually think it is valuable for ICANN to know how much of the Internet-using public never goes near a URL. -- but they might relate to governance and the role they think they should

play in the governance of the Internet. Could that be a starting point?

Not sure about that. IG is important to we who are engaged in it. But most people don't care about being involved in the governance of their electrical grid, public transit or air traffic control, and don't think of these things' governance at all unless something goes wrong. Internet domains -- a small part of the (physical, protocols, etc) infrastructure needed to connect people to the WWW -- are no different. It's something of a conceit among those inside the bubble (or a plea to share the load) to assert that everyone ought to get involved. I disagree. Everyone has lives to lead, and also has a right to expect reliable and trustworthy public infrastructure without having to get personally involved in its management. And some of them serve on governance boards for other parts of common infrastructure and wonder why we don't get involved with them. The broad objective of this project (IMO) is for ALAC to be better informed to react and create policy input based on the needs and priorities of those who are impacted by the DNS yet have neither the interest or available time to get involved in ICANN. This is fairly clear in ALAC's bylaw mandate. - Evan

+1

On May 13, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Marita Moll via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

I agree, Evan, that most people do not want to be involved in governance -- but I think they would support the notion that there was a group representing their interests at the governance table, that it was not just commercial interests sitting at the table. The extent to which that is important to the end user might be an interesting question.

Marita

On 5/13/2021 3:38 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

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On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 19:19, Marita Moll via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Ind. users might not distinguish the Internet from Facebook

That is actually relevant to us, because that portion of the end-user base isn't really impacted by domain names at all if their whole online world is accessed through apps rather than domains. Yes, *we* know that Internet addressing is being used, but these end-users are hidden from it totally. I actually think it is valuable for ICANN to know how much of the Internet-using public never goes near a URL.

-- but they might relate to governance and the role they think they should play in the governance of the Internet. Could that be a starting point?

Not sure about that.

IG is important to we who are engaged in it. But most people don't care about being involved in the governance of their electrical grid, public transit or air traffic control, and don't think of these things' governance at all unless something goes wrong. Internet domains -- a small part of the (physical, protocols, etc) infrastructure needed to connect people to the WWW -- are no different.

It's something of a conceit among those inside the bubble (or a plea to share the load) to assert that everyone ought to get involved. I disagree. Everyone has lives to lead, and also has a right to expect reliable and trustworthy public infrastructure without having to get personally involved in its management. And some of them serve on governance boards for other parts of common infrastructure and wonder why we don't get involved with them. The broad objective of this project (IMO) is for ALAC to be better informed to react and create policy input based on the needs and priorities of those who are impacted by the DNS yet have neither the interest or available time to get involved in ICANN. This is fairly clear in ALAC's bylaw mandate.

- Evan

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Thanks, Marita. This is exactly the kind of previous effort that will help this effort to achieve maximum benefit. Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56 On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 15:24, Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net> wrote:

The Canadian Internet Registration Authority (CIRA) which operates the .ca domain name does occasional outreach exercises to calibrate their community investment program. The link below goes to such a recent survey which went out to recipients of this grant. The description of this survey group come pretty close to the end users we are looking for. Maybe we could take some guidance from this:

https://www.cira.ca/resources/state-internet/report/gap-between-us-perspecti...

In January and February 2018, CIRA reached out to organizations across Canada through a survey, phone interviews and video interviews to help identify key issues, needs and funding gaps with respect to internet infrastructure, digital access, digital literacy and funding gaps. In particular, CIRA sought out grassroots organizations and individuals working in and around Canada’s internet, including not-for-profits, charities, academics and small internet service providers. The survey CIRA shared with organizations in Canada sought to learn more about their perspectives, experiences and challenges. Follow-up interviews were conducted with some participants.

Marita

On 5/12/2021 2:34 PM, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large wrote:

I really, REALLY, encourage people to read the actual funding request before seeing the word "poll" and "At-Large" together and jumping to conclusions.

The request is *NOT* for a survey of RALOs or ALSs or anyone else in the existing ICANN community. This request is for a form of R&D never before done by ALAC.

It is explicitly designed to avoid the usual channels that have already been done, and to talk to the rest of the world outside the ICANN bubble -- the end-users that ALAC is bylaw-bound to speak for. We need to hear from people who have never even heard the terms "ICANN" or "DNS" or "Internet domain" -- let alone know what they are -- yet are deeply impacted by what goes on here. We don't need them to join an ALS or even care about ICANN, but we do need to know their opinions of how DNS policies and practises affect their use and trust of the Internet.

The funding request identifies the flaws in surveys that have been done to date, and ideally would ask questions of random samples of people *everywhere*.

In these cases the cost of the survey is very much determined by how spread it is. Given the amount of the funding at play we can't come close to "everywhere" so we need to work on what limited (but still random) scope will best provide useful analysis.

If anyone here is aware of any studies such as Vanda suggests that could help this effort, now is the time to identify them.

Evan Leibovitch, Toronto Canada @evanleibovitch / @el56

On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 12:49, Vanda Scartezini via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

Thanking to Leon to embrace such effort, I am the one encouraging this survey in all regions, worldwide survey. The cost of survey is not how spread it is, regional or universal to collect the data, but to build the right questions, analyze the answers and then present the statistically relevant data with a large annex with the methodology used for such analysis.

And yes, depending on the data there are several studies we could use, or even just comparing with data we collect.

Ralos can be used to spread the survey inside their regions.

Hope we can do such survey.

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Thanks Evan. Just confirming that I am following the discussion and that the project will have my support. I will try to encourage other Board colleagues to do the same.

Kind regards,

León

El 11 may 2021, a las 10:05, Evan Leibovitch via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> escribió:

Does a global survey is more expensive in terms of bandwidth costs than a regional pilot?

Really?

Is "Does it cost more to do a global survey than a regional one?" a useful question?

I would especially like to hear from those who helped support Jonathan in identifying the problem and making the original request. Responding that we need to have a strategic approach to determining what we want to learn from this effort, and then conducting the research based on that strategy, is rather stating the obvious at this point.

The proposal is not final; it still needs to be approved by the Board. I encourage Leon and Avri to support, and even advocate this when it comes on their agenda. IMO this proposal is more than just a funded project; its approval would be an unprecedented level of confidence in At-Large's ability to engage in its own research, ask its own questions, and perform its own analysis. Personally I have always felt that this is the only form of "outreach" that actually helps ALAC to perform its bylaw mandate. If granted it will be vital to deliver something useful, even if limited in scope to accommodate the resources available.

To everyone who is interested in contributing meaningfully to this effort -- assuming it is approved -- please start giving some thought to the strategy of what we want from this. Once there is consensus on that I think the questions will flow naturally.

Also consider that, depending on what we want from this effort, some of the raw research may already exist and be available for purchase. We're not the only ones who want to know the utility, safety and reliability of methods of how the public finds content and services on the Internet.

- Evan

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Thanks for the support, Roberto On Wed, 12 May 2021 at 15:44, Roberto Gaetano via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

At the same time, I believe that Alx has a point when he calls for “a question whose answer is not yet known and is relevant to a decision to be made”.

I half agree. I am fully onboard with asking questions to answer questions we don't already know; it's not the aim of this effort to be redundant. But that is a fairly open field, because ALAC has very little research on what the world's end-users need from ICANN. On the other hand, I'm not sure that the nature of the questions and answers will be able to inform a specific decision because, frankly, I don't think we'll be able to ask random end-users questions with an ALAC-decision level of detail. (Imagine asking your parents or neighbours for their thoughts on closed TLDs....) Especially in a first limited go around with this level of funding, I think the best we can ask for are answers that we can analyze to inform ALAC in a general way of end-user priorities and views on high-level issues such as abuse, trust and IDNs. To use Alex's phrasing, we may consider the project a success if we are able to convert some "unknown knowns" into "known knowns", and maybe during analysis unearth some "unknown unknowns" (that upon discovery become "unknown knowns" to be researched at a later time). - Evan

Thank you Jonathan.. After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now. So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do. M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Hi, is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey? Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey? Alejandro Pisanty On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination.

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Thank you Jonathan..

After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now.

So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do.

M

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias#:~:text=In%20statistics%.... Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:11:15 PM To: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> Cc: ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 We really need to hire a survey firm to develop a worthwhile sample. We shouldn't be attempting an end user survey with Survey Monkey where people self select. We should only use Survey Monkey with people already in our radar. Whether there is a well-defined question that can only be answered by survey remains to be seen. That's the exercise here. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:00:25 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Hi, is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey? Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey? Alejandro Pisanty On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com<mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Thank you Jonathan.. After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now. So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do. M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:08:18 PM To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...>: To Heidi who advanced this request<https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you. I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request. So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time. And, again, thank you to all involved. 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And that it is meaningful to both ICANN and the At-Large Community... But starting a good discussion.. :) M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 6:37 PM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't focus on the nature of the survey (self-selected or otherwise) nor anything else (need for a firm etc.) - before wasting anybody's time and energy, start with a question whose answer is not yet known and is relevant to a decision to be made. So, what is the decision that needs to be made?

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:11 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:

...

We really need to hire a survey firm to develop a worthwhile sample. We shouldn't be attempting an end user survey with Survey Monkey where people self select. We should only use Survey Monkey with people already in our radar.

Whether there is a well-defined question that can only be answered by survey remains to be seen. That's the exercise here.

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

------------------------------ *From:* Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:00:25 PM *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Hi,

is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey?

Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey?

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination.

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ------------------------------ *From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Thank you Jonathan..

After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now.

So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do.

M

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Dear Members,At the end of your message/matter in your mails here, please mention a few lines about you, The way Jonathan writes like this, Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483   With this, the mail readers will know about you. Regards, K Mohan RaiduPresidentISoc India Hyderabad Chapter.==================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Pisanty via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Cc: ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2021 11:23 am Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Maureen, absolutely. 90% of the work should go into the problem definition. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 12:47 AM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> wrote: And that it is meaningful to both ICANN and the At-Large Community...  But starting a good discussion..  :) M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 6:37 PM Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> wrote: Don't focus on the nature of the survey (self-selected or otherwise) nor anything else (need for a firm etc.) - before wasting anybody's time and energy, start with a question whose answer is not yet known and is relevant to a decision to be made. So, what is the decision that needs to be made? Alejandro Pisanty On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 10:11 PM Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote: We really need to hire a survey firm to develop a worthwhile sample. We shouldn't be attempting an end user survey with Survey Monkey where people self select. We should only use Survey Monkey with people already in our radar. Whether there is a well-defined question that can only be answered by survey remains to be seen. That's the exercise here. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 From: Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 11:00:25 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Hi, is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey?  Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey? Alejandro Pisanty On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Thank you Jonathan..  After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now. So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from  other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do.  M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote: We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively,  we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee.  Sigh. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:08:18 PM To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Regarding ICANN'sallocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC: To Heidi who advanced this request within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you. I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request. So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time. And, again, thank you to all involved. 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This is a good news and must be utilized as it was discussed during its preparations. What I remember the need of having an experts in the field and not to depend totally on ALAC/At-Large volunteers in designing the survey tools. On Thu, 6 May 2021 at 6:00 AM Alejandro Pisanty via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

Hi,

is there a well-defined question that cannot be answered except by a survey?

Is the budget there for the design of the survey, segmentation, etc. before the first line of surveymonkey is written? What is the project? What decision will be fed by the answer to the survey?

Alejandro Pisanty

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 9:48 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

...

We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination.

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ------------------------------ *From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Thank you Jonathan..

After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now.

So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do.

M

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Hi, I do not see any reason as to why SurveyMonkey monkey would not work if we have the right expertise to process the survey; this I believe we do have. I agree that we should focus more on questions and areas where we need clarifications about the community's need and views on issues. Thereby giving more legitimacy to our work. This would also allow for a global survey. Thanks Dr Abdulkarim Oloyede Co Founder, GreenICT Initiative On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:53 AM K Mohan Raidu via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

I agree with Jonathan Zuck, CCTRT Surveys should be good enough for now.

K Mohan Raidu President ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter.

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We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination.

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ------------------------------ *From:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM *To:* Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> *Cc:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Thank you Jonathan..

After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now.

So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do.

M

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

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Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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Obviously, I agree we shoukd be focused on the questions, for which we need answers. I'm simply clarifying that the ABR is for a legitimate survey, not more of the same. So, let's form.a group to work out some questions. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.InnovatorsNetwork.org> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Alfredo Calderon via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:13:39 AM To: ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng> Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Great news! I do agree with Alejandro that the first step is to state- What is the issue we wish to research? and it might be worth to have an hypothesis. That will obviously guide us selecting the strategy. We might end having a combination of: interviews, focal group(s), and survey. I am assuming that if we have this clear, any group that is hired, with the appropriate experience, will deliver an adequate strategy. In summary, let’s not spend time on the tools to use to gather the data, but on the problem at hand. Alfredo Calderon Email: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com Twitter: acalderon52 LinkedIn: pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52 Skype: alfredo_1212 Blog: https://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com VSIG: Virtual School on Internet Governance - https://virtualsig.org On May 6, 2021, at 4:25 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:  Hi, I do not see any reason as to why SurveyMonkey monkey would not work if we have the right expertise to process the survey; this I believe we do have. I agree that we should focus more on questions and areas where we need clarifications about the community's need and views on issues. Thereby giving more legitimacy to our work. This would also allow for a global survey. Thanks Dr Abdulkarim Oloyede Co Founder, GreenICT Initiative On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:53 AM K Mohan Raidu via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: I agree with Jonathan Zuck, CCTRT Surveys should be good enough for now. K Mohan Raidu President ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter. Observer GNSO PDP WG Member US EAI WG =========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Cc: ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2021 8:17 am Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com<mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Thank you Jonathan.. After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now. So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do. M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:08:18 PM To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...>: To Heidi who advanced this request<https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you. I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request. So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time. And, again, thank you to all involved. 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It's not so much the tool as the need to get a random sample. It's about self-selection more than it's about Survey Monkey which is a great tool. Jonathan Zuck | Executive Director | Innovators Network jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:jzuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> | O 202.827.7594 | D 202.420.7483 [See the source image]Jonathan-zuck<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-zuck/> | [See the source image] jvzuck<https://twitter.com/Jvzuck> | [See the source image] jonathanzuck<https://www.instagram.com/jonathanzuck/> | [See the source image] Jonathan.zuck<https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.zuck/> [signature_1023473624] ________________________________ From: John More <morej1@mac.com> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 11:18 AM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org> Cc: Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo@gmail.com>; ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng>; at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 I agree. As far as tools go, depending on the question, we should consider a more sophisticated tool than Survey Monkey. Moreover we need a design that allows for a deeper analysis with multiple layers that can tease out inconsistencies in the responses. John More On May 6, 2021, at 7:25 AM, Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: Obviously, I agree we should be focused on the questions, for which we need answers. I'm simply clarifying that the ABR is for a legitimate survey, not more of the same. So, let's form.a group to work out some questions. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Alfredo Calderon via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 6:13:39 AM To: ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng<mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng>> Cc: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Great news! I do agree with Alejandro that the first step is to state- What is the issue we wish to research? and it might be worth to have an hypothesis. That will obviously guide us selecting the strategy. We might end having a combination of: interviews, focal group(s), and survey. I am assuming that if we have this clear, any group that is hired, with the appropriate experience, will deliver an adequate strategy. In summary, let’s not spend time on the tools to use to gather the data, but on the problem at hand. Alfredo Calderon Email: calderon.alfredo@gmail.com<mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com> Twitter: acalderon52 LinkedIn: pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52<http://pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52> Skype: alfredo_1212 Blog: https://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com VSIG: Virtual School on Internet Governance - https://virtualsig.org On May 6, 2021, at 4:25 AM, ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote:  Hi, I do not see any reason as to why SurveyMonkey monkey would not work if we have the right expertise to process the survey; this I believe we do have. I agree that we should focus more on questions and areas where we need clarifications about the community's need and views on issues. Thereby giving more legitimacy to our work. This would also allow for a global survey. Thanks Dr Abdulkarim Oloyede Co Founder, GreenICT Initiative On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:53 AM K Mohan Raidu via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: I agree with Jonathan Zuck, CCTRT Surveys should be good enough for now. K Mohan Raidu President ISoc India Hyderabad Chapter. Observer GNSO PDP WG Member US EAI WG =========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Cc: ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2021 8:17 am Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 We probably start with the CCTRT surveys and see what areas might bear further examination. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard@gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 9:10:48 PM To: Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck@innovatorsnetwork.org>> Cc: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>>; Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org<mailto:evan@telly.org>>; Joanna Kulesza <jkuleszaicann@gmail.com<mailto:jkuleszaicann@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Thank you Jonathan.. After ATLASIII I had hoped that we might have had enough interest and capacity to establish a research group, but it never eventuated. I guess because there wasn't anyone to drive them towards a particular purpose as there is now. So what is it that you are particularly after so that we can gather some ideas from other like-minded individuals, about what is out there that could be useful to us, if that's what we need to do. M On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jonathan Zuck via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> wrote: We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org<http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/> Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483 ________________________________ From: At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:08:18 PM To: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com<mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>>; ICANN At-Large list <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Subject: [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05 Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...>: To Heidi who advanced this request<https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you. I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request. So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time. And, again, thank you to all involved. 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Dear Jonathan, Since it would be alac / icann surveys in global public interest, alac should be within its limits to use the whois/ other database to inexpensively reach out to individual and business Registrants globally? @Nadira for the required expertise in the design of the survey, alac could still reach within alac / icann / ISOC and the broader IG community to identify one or two individuals who have a background in poll design, but not necessarily follow a model of icann-scale spending by engaging unaffordable expertise, which sometimes may not work at all. Sivasubramanian M On Thu, May 6, 2021, 06:20 Jonathan Zuck via At-Large < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

We took.a shot and hoped for more, but its a start. We have to find a way to make good use of it. We can't mount a worldwide survey with that much and we SHOULD not do a stupid self selection survey. That leaves two options: piggyback or pilot. Global surveys are historically rare but have become more frequent with COVID. With $50k, we might get a few questions added to something already being fielded. Alternatively, we focus on a particular geographic region and language and see if we can get valuable enough data to get further funds. We'll definitely have to give it some thought. Another committee. Sigh. Jonathan

Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.InnovatorsNetwork.org Main: +1 (202) 827-7594 Direct: +1 (202) 420-7483

------------------------------ *From:* At-Large <at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Evan Leibovitch via At-Large <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 5, 2021 8:08:18 PM *To:* Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com>; ICANN At-Large list < at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject:* [At-Large] ICANN Funding Request FY22-05

Regarding ICANN's allocation of resources in support of end-user polling by and for ALAC <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=151847258&preview=/...> :

To Heidi who advanced this request <https://community.icann.org/display/projfinadhocws/ALAC+-+FY22+Additional+Bu...> within ICANN, and to all who had a part of creating it, a heartfelt and personal thank you.

I am extremely heartened by the allocation of funds for survey-based research to support and drive ALAC's ongoing work. Some of you may have seen my participation in At-Large mailing lists complaining about the lack of such resources, and now here they are. I have no idea whether my contributions played any role in development of this formal request of which I was not aware, but regardless I am sincerely appreciative of the significant effort that I know has gone into creating and advancing the request.

So now is the time to deliver, now that the opportunity is at hand. I have no idea what kind of sub-group and/or what ALAC support staff will be tasked to turn this approval into a detailed plan; I am at the service of whatever mechanism will be used. I hope to be useful to this process and make a positive contribution for the first time in a long time.

And, again, thank you to all involved.

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