Dominik and all, Well IMO only, it would seem wise and reasonable that first there must be a Independent Registrants Constituency lest this proposed committee gets stacked with only existing Constituency members and the same old musical chairs is propagated yet again, and as a result the opinions of a tiny minority are represented as a consensus of the many whom are not, and have never been represented. Another method to avoid the above concern, is to have ALAC global members/participants whom are registrants holding at least 2/3's of this new committee seats to ensure proper representation of same and at the same time, or as you say in parallel, get the Independent Registrants Constituency going and a new GNSO council elected with the proper accurate representation for the first time in ICANN's history. My guess is however neither of these things are going to be allowed to happen as it would upset the current apple cart of the current power structure in both ICANN and the GNSO, leaving the IPC and the BC far less influential than they are now. So Dominik, spread the word and thank you for standing up for change! Dominik Filipp wrote:

Jeff,

you are right. I have changed my mind regarding the committee. I am keen on supporting both the motions. The only question is which one to start with. Or with both in parallel? Danny has not expressed his opinion on this yet.

Dominik

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ga@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey A. Williams Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:41 PM To: ga@gnso.icann.org; DOC/NTIA ICANN Rep; Avri Doria Cc: Peter Dengate Thrush; twomey@icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory Committee

Dominik and all,

Our members sympathize with your concerns here Dominik. Yet I see no harm in the forming of such a committee as long as it is not stacked with committee members that only reflect the current ICANN GNSO constituency's members.

Dominik Filipp wrote:

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Danny,

I do not agree. Creating an Advisory Committee without voting power makes no sense to me at all. It would just be yet another toothless voice lost among many others incapable of influencing final decisions. Registrants/stakeholders must gain full support and respect within ICANN they truly deserve.

Dominik

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ga@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-ga@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:44 AM To: Peter Dengate Thrush Cc: twomey@icann.org; ga@gnso.icann.org; At-Large Worldwide Subject: [ga] Re: Proposal: Establishing a Registrant Advisory Committee

Peter,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I share your view of the importance of feeding timely advice into the policy-making and coordinating processes handled via the Supporting Organizations; this is precisely what Advisory Committees are supposed to do.

I'm further appreciative of your assessment that an Advisory Body whose sole focus is upon the needs of the general registrant community

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"may be a useful development", and I will be happy to work with those on the GA and NARALO lists that have already endorsed this concept to see it carefully distinguished per the guidelines that you have tendered.

It is my expectation that a more formal proposal will be put forth in advance of the Paris session that will clarify for the board the extent of the interests that are not being properly served by the current structure.

With regard to your query on the topic of registrar contracts, I look forward to the self-regulatory activities that will be pursued by the registrar community and believe that the guidance offered by such an AC will doubtless facilitate work in the SO community to buttress that

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self-regulatory effort through the consensus policy process.

Understanding that an Advisory Committee is, per the bylaws, a creation of the board, it would have been presumptive and inappropriate to act to self-form such a group, but I am willing to work with others to clarify the AC's likely future membership and its goals in much the same manner that the earlier At-Large Organizing Committee (ALOC) facilitated the emergence of the ALAC; additionally, per your request a clear cost benefit analysis will of course be provided.

As bottom-up momentum is already developing with regard to this proposal, it is my expectation that the clarity of purpose you seek will soon emerge in upcoming discussions.

Thank you for sharing your views. I look forward to further discussions as needed.

best wishes, Danny

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