All my friends and especially Nick Ashton-Hart, It is long past time the substantial users issues such as this one have been seriously recognized. Although I and our members fully realize and somewhat sympathize that social engineering related issues are of importance, issues that are and have been negatively effecting users everywhere, every day are far more important. So thanks to Nick here, this very serious problem that is also very costly to all of us, either directly or indirectly has again been brought to the forefront. Time to stand up for change! See: http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.icann.org/... and http://www.icann.org/committees/security/sac025.pdf I and our members have now for years been concerned and complaining about ICANN and its registries/registrars, ISP's and IAP's to take a much more serious effort in addressing what is now called "Fast Fluxing" without any significant interest from ICANN whom has at least a significant level of responsibility to take action to thwart this errant and unlawful activity. In fact, ICANN's supporting organizations such as the IETF and the IAB are at least in part for aiding and abetting this activity due to their mis configured DNS's which I have pointed out on several occasions. I would ask that first thing ICANN can do is to require the their supporting organizations have cleanly defined DNS's so that phishing, malware and Spyware can at least from ICANN itself, be partly addressed effectively. Thank you in advance for your immediate and necessary cooperation in advance. Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827