Re: [At-Large] Nominating Special Adviser on Internet Governance Policy
Not being a Madame nor a chair, I can answer with no authority whatsoever! But I suggest we put it on the agenda for a BRIEF discussion at our next meeting (presumably teleconference) and decide to either go ahead and do it, or not do it, or to hold a formal vote. Beau, perhaps I missed something, but what I recall is your description of why he would make a good advisor, but I don't recall seeing a statement that he is interested in this. Can you confirm that he is (or tell me I missed a prior statement). Alan At 10/11/2007 09:22 AM, Brendler, Beau wrote:
Well, I'm glad we got that all cleared up.
Bureaucracy and procedure aside, do we want Jonathan to work with us or not?
What's the next step? A vote?
Madame chairman, do you need anything else from me to proceed?
Beau Brendler
---------- From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Sat 11/10/2007 7:58 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Nominating Special Adviser on Internet Governance Policy
Alan Greenberg ha scritto:
This thread seems to have been split into two, one on At-Large and one on NA-discuss. I posted this comments on the NA-discuss list, but want to make it here too to ensure that we do not go off on a tangent... My apologies to those on both lists.
To be clear, the NomCom review suggested that the ICANN Bylaws be changed to allow the ALAC to name two voting Directors to the ICANN Board of Directors (a subset of which the review sometimes called the Policy Board).
Just for clarification - that suggestion (as well as the one about replacing the five Nomcom-appointed ALAC members with members selected in some other way internal to the constituency) was usually received as a very preliminary idea, since the composition of the ICANN Board will be the subject of the upcoming Board review, while that of the ALAC will be the subject of the ALAC review; while of course the Nomcom is interrelated with both, those suggestions were received by many as a bit outside of the reviewer's mandate.
This doesn't mean that it cannot happen, but it is very hard to imagine that that could happen before at least a couple of years, if you consider that the Board review hasn't even started yet, and the ALAC review is at a very preliminary stage, and whatever conclusions they may yield have then to be examined by the Board and the community, discussed, finalized, and possibly subject to a transition period. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at <http://bertola.eu/>http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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With due respect, I have a strong concern for the proposal of having special advisor, and nominating Jonathan. First, I like to see if we all agree with the idea of special advisor, and also define the role, responsibility, accountability mechanism etc. Otherwise, whoever gets the position, it may create unforeseen problems. I have known Jonathan for a long time, or at least in the very early days of ICANN formation including IFWP process. I don't have a big problem with him per se, but I don't really know what he is up to now at Oxford, and wonder if ALAC as diverse as five continental users voices can be well represnted or adviced by one person. He was so deeply involved in the IFWP process, and early days of ICANN. That may be a plus, but also a minus, I am afraid. Sorry to be negative - that is NOT my intention, but we really need to think carefuly before making the move. izumi 2007/11/11, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>:
Not being a Madame nor a chair, I can answer with no authority whatsoever!
But I suggest we put it on the agenda for a BRIEF discussion at our next meeting (presumably teleconference) and decide to either go ahead and do it, or not do it, or to hold a formal vote.
Beau, perhaps I missed something, but what I recall is your description of why he would make a good advisor, but I don't recall seeing a statement that he is interested in this. Can you confirm that he is (or tell me I missed a prior statement).
Alan
At 10/11/2007 09:22 AM, Brendler, Beau wrote:
Well, I'm glad we got that all cleared up.
Bureaucracy and procedure aside, do we want Jonathan to work with us or not?
What's the next step? A vote?
Madame chairman, do you need anything else from me to proceed?
Beau Brendler
________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Sat 11/10/2007 7:58 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Nominating Special Adviser on Internet Governance Policy
Alan Greenberg ha scritto:
This thread seems to have been split into two, one on At-Large and one on NA-discuss. I posted this comments on the NA-discuss list, but want to make it here too to ensure that we do not go off on a tangent... My apologies to those on both lists.
To be clear, the NomCom review suggested that the ICANN Bylaws be changed to allow the ALAC to name two voting Directors to the ICANN Board of Directors (a subset of which the review sometimes called the Policy Board).
Just for clarification - that suggestion (as well as the one about replacing the five Nomcom-appointed ALAC members with members selected in some other way internal to the constituency) was usually received as a very preliminary idea, since the composition of the ICANN Board will be the subject of the upcoming Board review, while that of the ALAC will be the subject of the ALAC review; while of course the Nomcom is interrelated with both, those suggestions were received by many as a bit outside of the reviewer's mandate.
This doesn't mean that it cannot happen, but it is very hard to imagine that that could happen before at least a couple of years, if you consider that the Board review hasn't even started yet, and the ALAC review is at a very preliminary stage, and whatever conclusions they may yield have then to be examined by the Board and the community, discussed, finalized, and possibly subject to a transition period. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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I would like to share the concern expressed by Izumi and to support the idea of Alan to discuss that at our next Alac conf call - even if I will not be able to participate. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : samedi 10 novembre 2007 20:23 À : Alan Greenberg Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Nominating Special Adviser on Internet GovernancePolicy With due respect, I have a strong concern for the proposal of having special advisor, and nominating Jonathan. First, I like to see if we all agree with the idea of special advisor, and also define the role, responsibility, accountability mechanism etc. Otherwise, whoever gets the position, it may create unforeseen problems. I have known Jonathan for a long time, or at least in the very early days of ICANN formation including IFWP process. I don't have a big problem with him per se, but I don't really know what he is up to now at Oxford, and wonder if ALAC as diverse as five continental users voices can be well represnted or adviced by one person. He was so deeply involved in the IFWP process, and early days of ICANN. That may be a plus, but also a minus, I am afraid. Sorry to be negative - that is NOT my intention, but we really need to think carefuly before making the move. izumi 2007/11/11, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>:
Not being a Madame nor a chair, I can answer with no authority
whatsoever!
But I suggest we put it on the agenda for a BRIEF discussion at our next meeting (presumably teleconference) and decide to either go ahead and do
it,
or not do it, or to hold a formal vote.
Beau, perhaps I missed something, but what I recall is your description of why he would make a good advisor, but I don't recall seeing a statement that he is interested in this. Can you confirm that he is (or tell me I missed a prior statement).
Alan
At 10/11/2007 09:22 AM, Brendler, Beau wrote:
Well, I'm glad we got that all cleared up.
Bureaucracy and procedure aside, do we want Jonathan to work with us or not?
What's the next step? A vote?
Madame chairman, do you need anything else from me to proceed?
Beau Brendler
________________________________ From: alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Sat 11/10/2007 7:58 AM To: Alan Greenberg Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Nominating Special Adviser on Internet Governance Policy
Alan Greenberg ha scritto:
This thread seems to have been split into two, one on At-Large and one on NA-discuss. I posted this comments on the NA-discuss list, but want to make it here too to ensure that we do not go off on a tangent... My apologies to those on both lists.
To be clear, the NomCom review suggested that the ICANN Bylaws be changed to allow the ALAC to name two voting Directors to the ICANN Board of Directors (a subset of which the review sometimes called the Policy Board).
Just for clarification - that suggestion (as well as the one about replacing the five Nomcom-appointed ALAC members with members selected in some other way internal to the constituency) was usually received as a very preliminary idea, since the composition of the ICANN Board will be the subject of the upcoming Board review, while that of the ALAC will be the subject of the ALAC review; while of course the Nomcom is interrelated with both, those suggestions were received by many as a bit outside of the reviewer's mandate.
This doesn't mean that it cannot happen, but it is very hard to imagine that that could happen before at least a couple of years, if you consider that the Board review hasn't even started yet, and the ALAC review is at a very preliminary stage, and whatever conclusions they may yield have then to be examined by the Board and the community, discussed, finalized, and possibly subject to a transition period. -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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