Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
Dear colleagues: The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/ password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot) The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
Robert: 13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked. I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee. If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide. On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote:
Dear colleagues:
The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/ password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot)
The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week.
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
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On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Robert:
13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked.
a clear majority voted. That's great to hear!
I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee.
Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues.
If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide.
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not. Any one care to second? regards Robert
On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote:
Dear colleagues:
The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/ password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot)
The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week.
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
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The members the ROP committee did in fact decide to wait until you returned from being away to deal with the ROP related issues. On 4/9/07 17:16, "Robert Guerra" <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:
On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Robert:
13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked.
a clear majority voted. That's great to hear!
I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee.
Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues.
If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide.
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not.
Any one care to second?
regards
Robert
On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote:
Dear colleagues:
The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot)
The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week.
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
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While I appreciate my colleagues wanting to wait for my comments, it is unfortunate that in my absence no progress nor decision was made. It was not my intend to delay proceedings because of my absence. I would be keen that outstanding issues be summarized and recommendations made ahead of the sept ALAC call. I defer to the WG chair on next steps. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 4-Sep-07, at 11:51 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
The members the ROP committee did in fact decide to wait until you returned from being away to deal with the ROP related issues.
On 4/9/07 17:16, "Robert Guerra" <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:
On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Robert:
13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked.
a clear majority voted. That's great to hear!
I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee.
Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues.
If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide.
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not.
Any one care to second?
regards
Robert
On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote:
Dear colleagues:
The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot)
The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week.
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
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Dear colleagues! Greetings! This is to acknowledge that I SECOND the MOTION proposed by Robert: "I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not". Warmest regards, Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Guerra To: At-Large Worldwide Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? While I appreciate my colleagues wanting to wait for my comments, it is unfortunate that in my absence no progress nor decision was made. It was not my intend to delay proceedings because of my absence. I would be keen that outstanding issues be summarized and recommendations made ahead of the sept ALAC call. I defer to the WG chair on next steps. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 4-Sep-07, at 11:51 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: The members the ROP committee did in fact decide to wait until you returned from being away to deal with the ROP related issues. On 4/9/07 17:16, "Robert Guerra" <lists@privaterra.info> wrote: On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: Robert: 13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked. a clear majority voted. That's great to hear! I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee. Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues. If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide. I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not. Any one care to second? regards Robert On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote: Dear colleagues: The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot) The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 <BoardLiaison_Vote.jpg> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax (UK): +44 (20) 7681-3135 Fax (Swiss): +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile (UK): +44 (7774) 932798 Mobile (Swiss): +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 03.09.2007 09:31
Imo it depends on the 2 members who didn't vote - they should be given a chance if they wanted to but were unsure given the mixup with timelines. So I'd be in favor of the previous suggestion to extend the voting a couple of days to allow them to vote if theywanted to rathther than this motion. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device available from bmobile. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:51:11 To:Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info>,At-Large Worldwide <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ? The members the ROP committee did in fact decide to wait until you returned from being away to deal with the ROP related issues. On 4/9/07 17:16, "Robert Guerra" <lists@privaterra.info> wrote: On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: Robert: 13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked. a clear majority voted. That's great to hear! I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee. Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues. If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide. I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not. Any one care to second? regards Robert On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote: Dear colleagues: The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot) The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 <BoardLiaison_Vote.jpg> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org <http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org> At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org <http://www.alac.icann.org> ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org <http://www.icannalac.org> -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax (UK): +44 (20) 7681-3135 Fax (Swiss): +41 (22) 594-85-44 Mobile (UK): +44 (7774) 932798 Mobile (Swiss): +41 (79) 595 54-68 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org
I second you position. I consider is very neccesary to have the result of election now. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar From: lists@privaterra.infoDate: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:16:15 -0400To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.orgSubject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ? On 4-Sep-07, at 10:45 AM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote: Robert: 13 of 15 members of the ALAC have indeed voted as I just checked. a clear majority voted. That's great to hear! I setup the vote in advance, before it became clear that the voting on the ROP, which was meant to take place before the vote on the Board Liaison, could not be held on time due to the unavailability of some members of the ROP committee. Unfortunately I wasn't available Aug 18-28 due to field training. I have full confidence and trust in my other ROP committee members, and I hope they were able to resolve any outstanding issues. If the committee wishes to have the results of this vote stand as final, that would of course be up to the committee to decide. I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. Consequently, with sufficient ALAC members voting , I'd like to put forward a motion that the ALAC accept the results of the recently held vote for ALAC board liaison. Results of which should be made available regardless of is this motion passes or not. Any one care to second? regards Robert On 4 Sep 2007, at 15:48, Robert Guerra wrote: Dear colleagues: The At-Large Advisory committee (ALAC) voted last week to elect its Liaison to the ICANN board of directors. using their username/password to the BigPulse voting system each ALAC member, was asked to cast a ballot - to choose - between - Vittorio Bertola & Wendy Seltzer (see attached screenshot of ballot) The polls closed on Aug 31 (this past Friday). As the voting was done online, one would have thought that the results would have been automatically published. For some reason, that hasn't happened. That being said, no doubt the results will be announced this week. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel <BoardLiaison_Vote.jpg> _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org -- Regards, Nick Ashton-HartDirector, At-Large ICANN USA Tel: Fax: +41 (22) 595 85 44mobile: +41 (79) 595 54 68email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.orgWin IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart _________________________________________________________________ Exprésate - diseña tu página de inicio de Live.com como más te guste. http://www.live.com/getstarted
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting. R's, John
As the ballot is (supposed to be) secret, then there's no way a- priori to know if two additional votes will swing affect the result. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 4-Sep-07, at 2:09 PM, John L wrote:
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting. R's, John _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 09:31 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 09:31
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote. izumi 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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I support this motion seconded. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote. izumi 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I support this motion seconded. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote. izumi 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Here's a suggestion to improve the optics around this process, because from afar it does not look good. When you call an election, with a process and a deadline for a vote, you need to stick to it. Extending the voting period makes it appear as though you are gaming the system in order to gather enough votes to change the result. Whether that is what is happening or not doesn't matter as much as the integrity of the process. -- Bret
I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time (it is 10PM local time here now) -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart Director, At-Large ICANN PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom Main Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011] USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart ----- Original message ----- From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I support this motion seconded. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote. izumi 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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I particularly don´t agree whit a new election. It`s my opinion that we can´t vote if we can or not to know wich was the result of closed election. we had two candidates, and the voters were 13 out of 15. The mechanism was succesfuly acomplished. I think also the situation it`s became not clear for the all At Large community, and this is not good for us. We must to know now the voting result. I do not know in my experience any situation like this. obviously the committe decide. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * / 423-5423 www.sitioderecho.com.ar www.densi.com.ar > From: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr; iza@anr.org> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:00:32 +0100> CC: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?> > I will be able to setup a vote on this question tomorrow morning my time> (it is 10PM local time here now)> > > -- > Regards,> > Nick Ashton-Hart> Director, At-Large> ICANN> PO Box 32160> London N4 2XY> United Kingdom> Main Tel: ]> USA Tel: > Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135> mobile: > email: nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart> Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart > > > > ----- Original message -----> From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>> To: sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick> Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0400> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board> ofDirectors - result ?> > Hi > We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - > 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able> to> vote - but tried/wanted - to vote> 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able> to> vote - but tried/wanted - to vote> > So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a> poll or> go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem> not> to be able to right now.> > Jacqueline> > -----Original Message-----> From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16> To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide'> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board> ofDirectors - result ?> > I support this motion seconded.> All the best> > Sébastien Bachollet> Président> sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> www.egeni.org> www.isoc.fr> > -----Message d'origine-----> De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU> Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32> À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Cc : At-Large Worldwide> Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board> ofDirectors - result ?> > I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum> allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the> entire vote.> > izumi> > 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:> > We won't know> > But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in> the> > timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already> > indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote> > timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was> > already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the> vote> > for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody> else> > will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the> > holiday/moving/miscommunication.> > Jacqueline> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10> > To: At-Large Worldwide> > Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of> > Directors - result ?> >> > > I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we> > > have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...> >> > If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? 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From a number of emails on this list it appears that Members may not have read the email below from Jacqueline. This is the reason why a vote as below was held. The result of the vote below is as follows, and may be independently verified at: http://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults? code=QCaKS5KXqpkBg8buLjLm Poll Results Poll menu: ALAC Board Liaison Election Report date: Sun 09 Sep 2007 18:33 UTC Resuls of the 2007/2008 ALAC Board Liaison Election As at: Fri 07 Sep 2007 23:59 UTC Number of voters: 5 Ranked by votes Rank Decision Votes % 1 The two ALAC Members who have not voted should be permitted to cast their vote 3 60.00 2 The existing election should stand as final 2 40.00 Begin forwarded message:
From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: 5 September 2007 15:53:19 GMT+02:00 To: <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr>, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Reply-To: <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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The longer this drags on, the stranger it gets. I've seen at least seven votes to have the election stand on the mailing list. If no one will announce a "winner" right now, can you at least announce the voting results through the initial voting period?
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My goodness, this ALAC is VERY interesting, On one hand you have members that cannot work out how to vote, how they can make decisions on technical issues (I'm a little hard here) On the other hand you have a process ridden organisation, which for straighforward things, go round in circles, I wonder how Strategic decisions will be made? For the moment I see only operational matters being discussed on ALAC. Time to shape up? And please don't answer this e-mail, it will only add to the operational mess ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Franck Martin franck.martin@gmail.com "Toute connaissance est une réponse à une question" G. Bachelard
Dear Bret, nine people asked for announcing the result. best annette Bret Fausett schrieb:
The longer this drags on, the stranger it gets. I've seen at least seven votes to have the election stand on the mailing list. If no one will announce a "winner" right now, can you at least announce the voting results through the initial voting period?
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So the vote results clearly indicates it did not reach the quorum. I read Jaqueline's email, and assume others, too. So it is not wheter we read it or not, but her text is also confusing - she moved, but without specifics. She wrote "Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you?" Then the ononle voting was setup, but at least some of us are further confused by Aaln's withdrawal or the request etc. Others may have felt the voting itself is not necesarry given the situation - Alan withdrew the request. You don't seem to take these other important elements into consideration and trying to move us to only one direction. THat is why a number of ALAC members feel you are trying too much. I hope you see yourself in the bigger picture. izumi 2007/9/10, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>:
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*Poll Results* *Poll menu:* ALAC Board Liaison Election *Report date:* Sun 09 Sep 2007 18:33 UTC
*Resuls of the 2007/2008 ALAC Board Liaison Election*
*As at:* Fri 07 Sep 2007 23:59 UTC Number of voters: 5 Ranked by votes *Rank* *Decision* *Votes* *%* 1 The two ALAC Members who have not voted should be permitted to cast their vote 3 60.00 2 The existing election should stand as final 2 40.00
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*From: *"Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> *Date: *5 September 2007 15:53:19 GMT+02:00 *To: *<sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr>, "'Izumi AIZU'" <iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> *Cc: *"'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *Subject: **RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?* *Reply-To: *<jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr<sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> ] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in
the
timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the
vote
for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody
else
will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [mailto:johnl@iecc.com <johnl@iecc.com>] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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I certainly did not vote in this poll *because I never received a call to vote* which based on the text I assumed would come *if* the poll was set up... CLO From: Izumi AIZU [mailto:iza@anr.org] Sent: Monday, 10 September 2007 12:29 PM To: Nick Ashton-Hart Cc: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Fwd: Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? So the vote results clearly indicates it did not reach the quorum. I read Jaqueline's email, and assume others, too. So it is not wheter we read it or not, but her text is also confusing - she moved, but without specifics. She wrote "Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you?" Then the ononle voting was setup, but at least some of us are further confused by Aaln's withdrawal or the request etc. Others may have felt the voting itself is not necesarry given the situation - Alan withdrew the request. You don't seem to take these other important elements into consideration and trying to move us to only one direction. THat is why a number of ALAC members feel you are trying too much. I hope you see yourself in the bigger picture. izumi 2007/9/10, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org <mailto:nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> >:
From a number of emails on this list it appears that Members may not have read the email below from Jacqueline. This is the reason why a vote as below was held.
The result of the vote below is as follows, and may be independently verified at: http://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=QCaKS5KXqpkBg8buLjLm <http://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=QCaKS5KXqpkBg8buLjLm> Poll Results Poll menu: ALAC Board Liaison Election Report date: Sun 09 Sep 2007 18:33 UTC Resuls of the 2007/2008 ALAC Board Liaison Election As at: Fri 07 Sep 2007 23:59 UTC Number of voters: 5 Ranked by votes Rank Decision Votes % 1 The two ALAC Members who have not voted should be permitted to cast their vote 3 60.00 2 The existing election should stand as final 2 40.00 Begin forwarded message: From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: 5 September 2007 15:53:19 GMT+02:00 To: <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr>, "'Izumi AIZU'" < <mailto:iza@anr.org> iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Reply-To: <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [ <mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr> mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I support this motion seconded. All the best Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr -----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote. izumi 2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>: We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: John L [ <mailto:johnl@iecc.com> mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ? I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ... If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting. R's, John _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 09:31 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.3/986 - Release Date: 9/3/2007 09:31 _______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org At-Large Official Site: http://www.alac.icann.org ALAC Independent: http://www.icannalac.org -- --
Thanks for your note Izumi. With respect to the vote - Jacqueline was asking for a vote, clearly, either using the voting tool, or by having individual votes sent to me personally - there was no question of whether or not there was to be a vote or not. You will also I trust recall my note, in reply to Jacqueline, on 6 September, confirming my understanding of Jacqueline calling a vote and confirming that I would create one; on 7 September I then stated that I had set one up and in both cases made clear that if I was operating on old information, due to my having very limited connectivity, that you should accept my apologies in advance if I was operating on old information. As to your note about my not taking elements into consideration and trying to move you in a direction, nothing could be farther from the truth. The chair called a vote on two proposals. I followed her direction, as best I could, and set one up. I confirmed with her in a telephone call last night that I have been acting as directed by her throughout this business. It is therefore not accurate to portray me as in any way interfering or operating in any way improperly. On the bigger question here: it is entirely normal practice in meetings that once a vote has been called by the Chair on a question, a vote proceeds; it is too late to withdraw proposals once the voting has begun - voting having begun when the vote is called for. It is a mystery to me how such a basic and fundamental principle of good order in meetings can have been so completely not understood - especially since the draft ROPs call for the above as the resolution to any situation in which consensus is not reached. I would hope that all Members would carefully review, one further time, the draft ROPs. If you do so, you will find that much of the debate of the last several days would actually have been out of order - once voting has been commenced, debate about the vote is over. If the ALAC had done what it intended - to conclude the rules of procedure for conducting its work - in advance of the vote on the board liaison, then NONE of this to-ing and fro-ing would have happened. A great deal of time wasted in tendentious emails would have been avoided. It would seem to me that rather than expending lots of further time and effort in attempting to place blame on the staff for following the directions of the chair, all this effort could now be turned much more profitably to matters such as: 1) Agreeing ROPs so as to avoid another such episode as this one. 2) Discussing how to have a meeting schedule in LA that allows for a vision for the community to be developed in coordination with the regional Secretariats, who have asked for funding to attend LA for just this purpose 3) Discussing current policy issues of concern to the community and responses to them Or indeed almost any other subject or task. Of course, nobody can stop you from continuing this discussion but I beseech you - please, consider from the outside how this all looks and ask yourself if the view of the committee it presents is the one you wish people to see. On 10 Sep 2007, at 04:28, Izumi AIZU wrote:
So the vote results clearly indicates it did not reach the quorum.
I read Jaqueline's email, and assume others, too. So it is not wheter we read it or not, but her text is also confusing - she moved, but without specifics.
She wrote "Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you?"
Then the ononle voting was setup, but at least some of us are further confused by Aaln's withdrawal or the request etc. Others may have felt the voting itself is not necesarry given the situation - Alan withdrew the request.
You don't seem to take these other important elements into consideration and trying to move us to only one direction. THat is why a number of ALAC members feel you are trying too much. I hope you see yourself in the bigger picture.
izumi
2007/9/10, Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org>: From a number of emails on this list it appears that Members may not have read the email below from Jacqueline. This is the reason why a vote as below was held.
The result of the vote below is as follows, and may be independently verified at: http://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults? code=QCaKS5KXqpkBg8buLjLm
Poll Results
Poll menu: ALAC Board Liaison Election Report date: Sun 09 Sep 2007 18:33 UTC
Resuls of the 2007/2008 ALAC Board Liaison Election
As at: Fri 07 Sep 2007 23:59 UTC Number of voters: 5 Ranked by votes Rank Decision Votes % 1 The two ALAC Members who have not voted should be permitted to cast their vote 3 60.00 2 The existing election should stand as final 2 40.00
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From: "Jacqueline A. Morris" <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: 5 September 2007 15:53:19 GMT+02:00 To: <sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr>, "'Izumi AIZU'" < iza@anr.org>, "'Nick Ashton-Hart'" <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ? Reply-To: <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
Hi We have 2 motions seconded on the table now - 1) To call the vote as is leaving out the people who who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote 2) To extend the voting for 2 days to allow the people who weren't able to vote - but tried/wanted - to vote
So I move for a vote now for either 1 or 2. Nick - shall we set up a poll or go via email to you? I thought I had access to set up polls, but I seem not to be able to right now.
Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: Sébastien Bachollet [ mailto:sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 09:16 To: 'Izumi AIZU'; jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: RE: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I support this motion seconded. All the best
Sébastien Bachollet Président sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org ] De la part de Izumi AIZU Envoyé : mercredi 5 septembre 2007 04:32 À : jam@jacquelinemorris.com Cc : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board ofDirectors - result ?
I second Jaqueline's proposal. Let' make a minimum allowance for the two to vote, but not re-open the entire vote.
izumi
2007/9/5, Jacqueline A. Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com>:
We won't know But I think that they may want to vote, given that there was a mixup in the timelines. We should give them the opportunity, and one has already indicated that they wanted to vote, but was confused given the RoP vote timeline and tried to vote when it was somewhat cleared up but it was already closed, so I would agree with the suggestion that we extend the vote for a couple more days to allow the last 2 to vote if they want. Nobody else will change their vote, but those 2 should not be disenfranchised by the holiday/moving/miscommunication. Jacqueline
-----Original Message----- From: John L [ mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 14:10 To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Election of the ALAC Liaison to the ICANN Board of Directors - result ?
I would propose that with 87% of the committee voting, that indeed we have not only a quorum - but a super quorum at that. ...
If there's only two votes left, can they change the result? If not, there's no point to waiting.
R's, John
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Annette Muehlberg -
Bret Fausett -
carlos aguirre -
Cheryl Langdon-Orr -
Franck Martin -
Izumi AIZU -
Jacqueline A. Morris -
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John L -
Nick Ashton-Hart -
Robert Guerra -
Sébastien Bachollet -
Veronica Cretu