Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
There is a Board meeting at 11:00 UTC today (2009-09-30). Hell will break loose at 14:00 UTC, when the communiqué is going to be released and the press conference will take place. This will be 10:00 EDT, as the event will take place in Washington, DC. As for whether "She" [uppercase in the original text ;>)] was right or not, as an international civil servant I would decline to comment. But you might compare the text of the press release with the proposals made in the last months, including the G-12, and draw your own conclusions. One thing is undeniable: if ICANN has to move towards more internationalization, as there seem to be consensus on, we need more collaboration among different stakeholders, including governments worldwide. So, right or wrong on one specific issue is, in the long run, not the main thing. What is important is that Europe (as all other countries and regions worldwide) engages in this internationalization process. Which, in my personal reading of the events, is indeed happening. Last but not least, I believe that ALAC has a role of the paramount importance in this internationalization process, as it has roots in the local communities. From my point of view, it would be a positive thing if ALAC analyses this document, when it will be public, and take a position on it, keeping in mind that the issue is not just a political statement, but active engagement in the territory to make ICANN more international in the facts, not only in the intentions. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Sébastien Bachollet Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 00:30 To: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
I am not sure that it is "just speculation"... And yes it is a way to say that She was right.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de John R. Levine Envoyé : mercredi 30 septembre 2009 00:15 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
All the information are here ;) But sorry it is in French
http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2009/09/29/le-controle-de
- l-icann -un-enjeu-diplomatique_1246600_651865.html#xtor=AL-32280270
But that article is just speculation, and a rehash of Viviane Reding's video from May.
R's, John
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Dear Roberto, As you know your suggestion is my position from the very begining. Unfortunately ICANN made everything for ALAC to be self centered and inneficient instead of being interested in lead users, and potentially in end users, and in builing a citizenstructure that could help stabilizing the network through its governance. At this time, I am afraid this is too late for the ALAC/ICANN to reform and ICANN to keep the real leadership. But a reforming ALAC under a new ICANN management might help everyone. IMHO much is going to depend on the NTIA wording, on the IANA short term strategy, and on the IDNA IETF/LC. The real incertitude I have - if you have read Rod Beckstrom's book - is to know if he want to support or kill the @large spirit and architectural necessity that ALAC has already deeply hurt. Anyway, at this stage, ALAC is not credible to oppose, on a citizen basis and least on a technical bases, an overpressure by Govs. In any case, ICANN belongs to an Internet conception which is quickly obsoleting (and not yet replaced). jfc At 11:19 30/09/2009, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
There is a Board meeting at 11:00 UTC today (2009-09-30). Hell will break loose at 14:00 UTC, when the communiqué is going to be released and the press conference will take place. This will be 10:00 EDT, as the event will take place in Washington, DC.
Roberto, Many thanks for your clarifications - it helps so much to understand how difficult it was. The Affirmation of Commitment by DOC and ICANN has been published on ICANN's website on time, the Internet is twitting, newspapers giving first comments. 9.1 Ensuring accountability, transparency and the interests of global Internet users ... the Chair of the GAC, the Chair of the Board of ICANN, the Assistant Secretary for Communications and Information of the DOC, representatives of the relevant ICANN Advisory Committees and Supporting Organizations and independent experts 9.2 Preserving security, stability and resiliency: ... the Chair of the GAC, the CEO of ICANN, representatives of the relevant Advisory Committees and Supporting Organizations, and independent experts 9.3 Promoting competition, consumer trust, and consumer choice ... the Chair of the GAC, the CEO of ICANN, representatives of the relevant Advisory Committees and Supporting Organizations, and independent experts http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-30sep09-en.htm#resolution Kind regards, Elisabeth Porteneuve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto@icann.org> To: "'At-Large Worldwide'" <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ? There is a Board meeting at 11:00 UTC today (2009-09-30). Hell will break loose at 14:00 UTC, when the communiqué is going to be released and the press conference will take place. This will be 10:00 EDT, as the event will take place in Washington, DC. As for whether "She" [uppercase in the original text ;>)] was right or not, as an international civil servant I would decline to comment. But you might compare the text of the press release with the proposals made in the last months, including the G-12, and draw your own conclusions. One thing is undeniable: if ICANN has to move towards more internationalization, as there seem to be consensus on, we need more collaboration among different stakeholders, including governments worldwide. So, right or wrong on one specific issue is, in the long run, not the main thing. What is important is that Europe (as all other countries and regions worldwide) engages in this internationalization process. Which, in my personal reading of the events, is indeed happening. Last but not least, I believe that ALAC has a role of the paramount importance in this internationalization process, as it has roots in the local communities. From my point of view, it would be a positive thing if ALAC analyses this document, when it will be public, and take a position on it, keeping in mind that the issue is not just a political statement, but active engagement in the territory to make ICANN more international in the facts, not only in the intentions. Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Sébastien Bachollet Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 00:30 To: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
I am not sure that it is "just speculation"... And yes it is a way to say that She was right.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de John R. Levine Envoyé : mercredi 30 septembre 2009 00:15 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
All the information are here ;) But sorry it is in French
http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2009/09/29/le-controle-de
- l-icann -un-enjeu-diplomatique_1246600_651865.html#xtor=AL-32280270
But that article is just speculation, and a rehash of Viviane Reding's video from May.
R's, John
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"Elisabeth Porteneuve" <elisabeth.porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr> wrote:
The Affirmation of Commitment by DOC and ICANN has been published on ICANN's website on time, the Internet is twitting, newspapers giving first comments.
IMHO there are no surprises in the announcement. It looks like a pretty much middle of the road "keep on doing what you're doing because you're on the right path" kind of commitment. It reinforces the significance of the GAC, which I think is a good thing if ICANN wishes to enhance its legitimacy with governments worldwide and make them understand that a multi-stakeholder model is better for everyone. Points which are likely to make some cringe are the commitment that: "5. ...Nothing in this document is an expression of support by DOC of any specific plan or proposal for the implementation of new generic top level domain names (gTLDs) or is an expression by DOC of a view that the potential consumer benefits of new gTLDs outweigh the potential costs." With a context of clear support for ccTLDs and IDNs in the paragraph, take this sentence any way you wish... "8. (b) remain a not for profit corporation, headquartered in the United States of America with offices around the world to meet the needs of a global community;" But then no official proposals had been suggested for an alternative, so what did we expect? ...and a mention in the concluding paragraph: "11. The DOC enters into this Affirmation of Commitments pursuant to its authority under 15 U.S.C. 1512 and 47 U.S.C. 902. ICANN commits to this Affirmation according to its Articles of Incorporation and its Bylaws. This agreement will become effective October 1, 2009. The agreement is intended to be long-standing, but may be amended at any time by mutual consent of the parties. Any party may terminate this Affirmation of Commitments by providing 120 days written notice to the other party. This Affirmation contemplates no transfer of funds between the parties. In the event this Affirmation of Commitments is terminated, each party shall be solely responsible for the payment of any expenses it has incurred. All obligations of the DOC under this Affirmation of Commitments are subject to the availability of funds." Which IMHO has been mis-written because it takes standard contract terms re: payments incurred. Elsewhere, this paragraph contains a sentence providing hope that ICANN will further be able to internationalise in the future: "The agreement is intended to be long-standing, but may be amended at any time by mutual consent of the parties" But a sticky point: "Any party may terminate this Affirmation of Commitments by providing 120 days written notice to the other party." Which opens the question to the US Dept. of Commerce being able to pull the plug at 4 months notice. And then what happens? There doesn't seem to be a fallback state if this happens... I must be missing something... Kind regards, Olivier -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
On the same subject, there is an interesting post from Milton Mueller. http://blog.internetgovernance.org/blog/_archives/2009/9/30/4337767.html Patrick
... it will all end in tears ... a train wreak is inevitable ... but we are moving in the right direction ... looks like a BWG revival to me. cheers joe baptista On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto@icann.org> wrote:
There is a Board meeting at 11:00 UTC today (2009-09-30). Hell will break loose at 14:00 UTC, when the communiqué is going to be released and the press conference will take place. This will be 10:00 EDT, as the event will take place in Washington, DC. As for whether "She" [uppercase in the original text ;>)] was right or not, as an international civil servant I would decline to comment. But you might compare the text of the press release with the proposals made in the last months, including the G-12, and draw your own conclusions. One thing is undeniable: if ICANN has to move towards more internationalization, as there seem to be consensus on, we need more collaboration among different stakeholders, including governments worldwide. So, right or wrong on one specific issue is, in the long run, not the main thing. What is important is that Europe (as all other countries and regions worldwide) engages in this internationalization process. Which, in my personal reading of the events, is indeed happening. Last but not least, I believe that ALAC has a role of the paramount importance in this internationalization process, as it has roots in the local communities. From my point of view, it would be a positive thing if ALAC analyses this document, when it will be public, and take a position on it, keeping in mind that the issue is not just a political statement, but active engagement in the territory to make ICANN more international in the facts, not only in the intentions.
Cheers, Roberto
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Sébastien Bachollet Sent: Wednesday, 30 September 2009 00:30 To: 'At-Large Worldwide' Subject: Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
I am not sure that it is "just speculation"... And yes it is a way to say that She was right.
Sébastien Bachollet Président d'honneur - Isoc France sebastien.bachollet@isoc.fr www.egeni.org www.isoc.fr
-----Message d'origine----- De : at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large- bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de John R. Levine Envoyé : mercredi 30 septembre 2009 00:15 À : At-Large Worldwide Objet : Re: [At-Large] Replacement for the JPA ?
All the information are here ;) But sorry it is in French
http://www.lemonde.fr/technologies/article/2009/09/29/le-controle-de
- l-icann -un-enjeu-diplomatique_1246600_651865.html#xtor=AL-32280270
But that article is just speculation, and a rehash of Viviane Reding's video from May.
R's, John
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