U.S. seizure of .ORG domain name
I propose the At Large/ALAC protest the U.S. government's seizure of domain name Rojadirecta.org. Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and P2P download site. Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two Spanish courts have ruled the site operates legally. It seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice of jurisdiction. But this action on ORG, and the actions on .COM names last November essentially means the U.S. government considers COM, NET and ORG to be nothing more than ccTLDs subject to U.S. whim (this isn't a legal action, there has been no court case, no due process.) Rojadirecta is now available under other TLDs <http://www.rojadirecta.me> <http://www.rojadirecta.es> <http://www.rojadirecta.in> as well its original IP address <http://109.235.53.189/>. Expect there will be a lot written about this, this article's ok as a starting point: <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seiz...> I hope At Large will issue a statement protesting the use of the TLD registry as a means of takedown. That it recommends when the NET, ORG and COM contracts are renegotiated they should move to a jurisdiction where such unilateral action by a government is not possible. That the new applicant guidebook require applicants to only locate in jurisdictions where such unilateral action by a government is not possible. Legitimate businesses should not be subject to the whim of a U.S. agency. Adam
Adam. Agree with you. yesterday I put my personal protest in the social networks. but would be important that ALAC take in account this matter. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 22:58:27 +0900 To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp Subject: [At-Large] U.S. seizure of .ORG domain name
I propose the At Large/ALAC protest the U.S. government's seizure of domain name Rojadirecta.org.
Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and P2P download site. Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two Spanish courts have ruled the site operates legally.
It seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice of jurisdiction. But this action on ORG, and the actions on .COM names last November essentially means the U.S. government considers COM, NET and ORG to be nothing more than ccTLDs subject to U.S. whim (this isn't a legal action, there has been no court case, no due process.)
Rojadirecta is now available under other TLDs <http://www.rojadirecta.me> <http://www.rojadirecta.es> <http://www.rojadirecta.in> as well its original IP address <http://109.235.53.189/>.
Expect there will be a lot written about this, this article's ok as a starting point: <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seiz...>
I hope At Large will issue a statement protesting the use of the TLD registry as a means of takedown. That it recommends when the NET, ORG and COM contracts are renegotiated they should move to a jurisdiction where such unilateral action by a government is not possible. That the new applicant guidebook require applicants to only locate in jurisdictions where such unilateral action by a government is not possible.
Legitimate businesses should not be subject to the whim of a U.S. agency.
Adam _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
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English and spanish: Adam, ( yesterday ) we just having been discussed in our organization and I must say that I agree with you, referring to demonstrate against the U.S. intervention against rojadirecta.org domain . Similarly, I remain concerned about the use of the gTLD ". org" for purposes other than those to be used by nonprofit organizations . I have always preferred these gtld were more restrictive as we have seen in my organization when we did pedophilia research , as is used. "org" with links to pornographic sites . I think that also we should be discussing, not just internet should be a place "fit for business' but also safe waterway, and is "trusted"part of the reliability must be based on that safeguard of certain forms for the gTLDs. " . org". " . gov" " .mil " ". edu", which will provide certainty and where user safety is standing. Regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam, justamente fue tema de discusión en nuestra organización en el día de ayer y debo decir que coincido con lo expuesto por ti, en referencia a manifestarnos en contra de la intervención de EEUU contra el dominio rojadirecta.org, por todo lo expresado oportunamente en tu mail. Igualmente me sigue preocupando la utilización del gtld ".org" para otros fines que no sean los de ser utilizados por organizaciones sin fines de lucro, siempre he preferido que estos gtld fueran más restrictivos ya que hemos sido testigos en investigaciones sobre pedofilia que hemos realizado en el pasado en mi organización, de como se utiliza el ".org" con links a sitios pornográficos, creo que eso tambien tendríamos que estar discutiendo, no solamente internet debe de ser un lugar "Apto para los negocios" sino también, seguro, navegable, y que sea "confiable", parte de la confiabilidad se debe basar en que se resguarden ciertas formas para los gtld ".org", ".gov", " ".edu",etc, que le den certeza y seguridad al usuario en donde esta parado. *Saludos cordiales* *Sergio Salinas Porto Presidente Internauta Argentina Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * El 02/02/2011 10:58 a.m., Adam Peake escribió:
I propose the At Large/ALAC protest the U.S. government's seizure of domain name Rojadirecta.org.
Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and P2P download site. Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two Spanish courts have ruled the site operates legally.
It seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice of jurisdiction. But this action on ORG, and the actions on .COM names last November essentially means the U.S. government considers COM, NET and ORG to be nothing more than ccTLDs subject to U.S. whim (this isn't a legal action, there has been no court case, no due process.)
Rojadirecta is now available under other TLDs <http://www.rojadirecta.me> <http://www.rojadirecta.es> <http://www.rojadirecta.in> as well its original IP address <http://109.235.53.189/>.
Expect there will be a lot written about this, this article's ok as a starting point: <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seiz...>
I hope At Large will issue a statement protesting the use of the TLD registry as a means of takedown. That it recommends when the NET, ORG and COM contracts are renegotiated they should move to a jurisdiction where such unilateral action by a government is not possible. That the new applicant guidebook require applicants to only locate in jurisdictions where such unilateral action by a government is not possible.
Legitimate businesses should not be subject to the whim of a U.S. agency.
Adam _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
English and spanish: Adam, ( yesterday ) we just having been discussed in our organization and I must say that I agree with you, referring to demonstrate against the U.S. intervention against rojadirecta.org domain . Similarly, I remain concerned about the use of the gTLD ". org" for purposes other than those to be used by nonprofit organizations . I have always preferred these gtld were more restrictive as we have seen in my organization when we did pedophilia research , as is used. "org" with links to pornographic sites . I think that also we should be discussing, not just internet should be a place "fit for business' but also safe waterway, and is "trusted"part of the reliability must be based on that safeguard of certain forms for the gTLDs. " . org". " . gov", ". edu", etc, which will provide certainty and where user safety is standing. Regards ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adam, justamente fue tema de discusión en nuestra organización en el día de ayer y debo decir que coincido con lo expuesto por ti, en referencia a manifestarnos en contra de la intervención de EEUU contra el dominio rojadirecta.org, por todo lo expresado oportunamente en tu mail. Igualmente me sigue preocupando la utilización del gtld ".org" para otros fines que no sean los de ser utilizados por organizaciones sin fines de lucro, siempre he preferido que estos gtld fueran más restrictivos ya que hemos sido testigos en investigaciones sobre pedofilia que hemos realizado en el pasado en mi organización, de como se utiliza el ".org" con links a sitios pornográficos, creo que eso tambien tendríamos que estar discutiendo, no solamente internet debe de ser un lugar "Apto para los negocios" sino también, seguro, navegable, y que sea "confiable", parte de la confiabilidad se debe basar en que se resguarden ciertas formas para los gtld ".org", ".gov", " ".edu",etc, que le den certeza y seguridad al usuario en donde esta parado. *Saludos cordiales* *Sergio Salinas Porto Presidente Internauta Argentina Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 * El 02/02/2011 10:58 a.m., Adam Peake escribió:
I propose the At Large/ALAC protest the U.S. government's seizure of domain name Rojadirecta.org.
Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and P2P download site. Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two Spanish courts have ruled the site operates legally.
It seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice of jurisdiction. But this action on ORG, and the actions on .COM names last November essentially means the U.S. government considers COM, NET and ORG to be nothing more than ccTLDs subject to U.S. whim (this isn't a legal action, there has been no court case, no due process.)
Rojadirecta is now available under other TLDs <http://www.rojadirecta.me> <http://www.rojadirecta.es> <http://www.rojadirecta.in> as well its original IP address <http://109.235.53.189/>.
Expect there will be a lot written about this, this article's ok as a starting point: <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seiz...>
I hope At Large will issue a statement protesting the use of the TLD registry as a means of takedown. That it recommends when the NET, ORG and COM contracts are renegotiated they should move to a jurisdiction where such unilateral action by a government is not possible. That the new applicant guidebook require applicants to only locate in jurisdictions where such unilateral action by a government is not possible.
Legitimate businesses should not be subject to the whim of a U.S. agency.
Adam _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
On 2011/02/02 15:58, Adam Peake wrote:
I propose the At Large/ALAC protest the U.S. government's seizure of domain name Rojadirecta.org.
Rojadirecta is a popular sports streaming and P2P download site. Rojadirecta is a legitimate Spanish business. Two Spanish courts have ruled the site operates legally.
It seems the U.S. Government Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division used the TLD as the means of seizure in an attempt to take down the site. If the action was against the registrar then a registrant would at least have a choice of jurisdiction.
How would we factor this in? http://www.icann.org/en/registrars/ra-agreement-21may09-en.htm#3.7.7.10 We need to consider the registrar for ROJADIRECTA.ORG is Godaddy and the domain had DomainsByProxy.com as the registered name holder, although now showing Department of Homeland Security. Derek
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Adam Peake -
carlos dionisio aguirre -
Derek Smythe -
presidencia Internauta Argentina