+1 Mensaje enviado desde mi terminal BlackBerry® de Porta -----Original Message----- From: Andrés Piazza <andrespiazza@gmail.com> Sender: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 12:12:16 To: At-Large Worldwide<at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Reply-To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] Proposed statement of the ALAC regarding the current situation in Egypt + 1 2011/2/1 Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>

I support this note. I hope the ALAC approves it.

thanks

a.

On 1 Feb 2011, at 09:24, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:

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Statement of the ALAC regarding current situation in Egypt

The ALAC is concerned by the impact of developments in Egypt on the ordinary Internet user. In the light of ICANN's responsibility for IP address and AS number policy, and its core value of 'preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet', we endorse the ISOC statement and Q&A as expressed at http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3100

Signed: The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)

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I support this note too. Fatima 2011/2/1 <info@internautabrasil.org>

Dear Olivier: I strongly support the ALAC note. Sylvia _________________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein Leite Secretaria FLUI - www.fuilatin.org LACRALO-ALAC Member Latin America & Caribbean At-Large Regional Organization sylvia@internautabrasil.org

-----Mensagem original----- De: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond Enviada em: terça-feira, 1 de fevereiro de 2011 12:24 Para: At-Large Worldwide Assunto: [At-Large] Proposed statement of the ALAC regarding the current situation in Egypt

Dear all,

sustained discussions have recently taken place on one of the RALO lists, whether the ALAC should comment on the current political situation in Egypt, focussing in particular on the suspension of Internet service in the country. I have personally monitored the discussion and members of the ALAC ExCom have held daily discussions about the matter. I have also discussed the possibility of a statement with other constituency Chairs and some Board members. Rod Beckstrom has published a Blog post on: http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ He has steered away from making any kind of political statement, and I suspect that this was for a reason.

Egypt's GAC representative is Ms. Manal Ismail. She works for the Telecom Regulation Authority (TRA) - but their Internet is cut too. The ccNSO representative is EGregistry.eg - and they are cut from the Internet as well. The ICANN manager for relations in the Middle East, Mr. Baher Esmat, is also based in Cairo - and he's also off-line. Many more participants in ICANN Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees, including ICANN fellows are also based in Egypt.

I have managed to speak to a couple of my own friends in Cairo. They explained that, like all Egyptians, they are worried about the security situation, their own personal security included. This is particularly important.

Whilst I understand that the current action by Egypt breaks ICANN's Core Value #1, it is my firm view that any statement might bring more harm that good to ICANN and its friends at the present moment, if it is not crafted with caution. This is a complex political situation which surpasses ICANN's sphere of influence, and I should seriously recommend that ALAC keeps a low profile about this because of the political implications for our friends on the ground.

That said, the Internet Society has released a Q&A document focussing primarily on the technical implications of the shut-down of Internet services in Egypt. It is very useful, and I propose that for the time being, we support this Q&A and point our members to it.

I am therefore asking the ALAC to endorse the following statement in an accelerated vote and procedure:

--- cut here ---

Statement of the ALAC regarding current situation in Egypt

The ALAC is concerned by the impact of developments in Egypt on the ordinary Internet user. In the light of ICANN's responsibility for IP address and AS number policy, and its core value of 'preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet', we endorse the ISOC statement and Q&A as expressed at http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3100

Signed: The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)

--- cut here ---

I hope that this will receive support and in this case, Heidi will swiftly follow-up with regards to voting procedures.

In the meantime, and until the situation on the ground gets resolved, we wish all the Best to our Egyptian friends in this time of troubled politics in their country.

Best regards,

Olivier Crepin-Leblond ALAC Chair

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I also support ALAC note. Hope all our friends in Egypt and their families are safe. Best Siranush

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

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Dear all,

sustained discussions have recently taken place on one of the RALO lists, whether the ALAC should comment on the current political situation in Egypt, focussing in particular on the suspension of Internet service in the country. I have personally monitored the discussion and members of the ALAC ExCom have held daily discussions about the matter. I have also discussed the possibility of a statement with other constituency Chairs and some Board members. Rod Beckstrom has published a Blog post on: http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ He has steered away from making any kind of political statement, and I suspect that this was for a reason.

Egypt's GAC representative is Ms. Manal Ismail. She works for the Telecom Regulation Authority (TRA) - but their Internet is cut too. The ccNSO representative is EGregistry.eg - and they are cut from the Internet as well. The ICANN manager for relations in the Middle East, Mr. Baher Esmat, is also based in Cairo - and he's also off-line. Many more participants in ICANN Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees, including ICANN fellows are also based in Egypt.

I have managed to speak to a couple of my own friends in Cairo. They explained that, like all Egyptians, they are worried about the security situation, their own personal security included. This is particularly important.

Whilst I understand that the current action by Egypt breaks ICANN's Core Value #1, it is my firm view that any statement might bring more harm that good to ICANN and its friends at the present moment, if it is not crafted with caution. This is a complex political situation which surpasses ICANN's sphere of influence, and I should seriously recommend that ALAC keeps a low profile about this because of the political implications for our friends on the ground.

That said, the Internet Society has released a Q&A document focussing primarily on the technical implications of the shut-down of Internet services in Egypt. It is very useful, and I propose that for the time being, we support this Q&A and point our members to it.

I am therefore asking the ALAC to endorse the following statement in an accelerated vote and procedure:

--- cut here ---

Statement of the ALAC regarding current situation in Egypt

The ALAC is concerned by the impact of developments in Egypt on the ordinary Internet user. In the light of ICANN's responsibility for IP address and AS number policy, and its core value of 'preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet', we endorse the ISOC statement and Q&A as expressed at http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3100

Signed: The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)

--- cut here ---

I hope that this will receive support and in this case, Heidi will swiftly follow-up with regards to voting procedures.

In the meantime, and until the situation on the ground gets resolved, we wish all the Best to our Egyptian friends in this time of troubled politics in their country.

Best regards,

Olivier Crepin-Leblond ALAC Chair

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+1 for Olivier On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Carlos Vera <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote:

Time to go for dictator.

We have no permanent friends or enemies, just interest. (H. Kissinger)

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Carlos Vera

2011/2/1 Dev Anand Teelucksingh <admin@ttcsweb.org>

...

+1

I support the ALAC note

Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:

...

Dear all,

sustained discussions have recently taken place on one of the RALO lists, whether the ALAC should comment on the current political situation in Egypt, focussing in particular on the suspension of Internet service in the country. I have personally monitored the discussion and members of the ALAC ExCom have held daily discussions about the matter. I have also discussed the possibility of a statement with other constituency Chairs and some Board members. Rod Beckstrom has published a Blog post on: http://blog.icann.org/2011/01/status-report-on-the-dns-in-egypt/ He has steered away from making any kind of political statement, and I suspect that this was for a reason.

Egypt's GAC representative is Ms. Manal Ismail. She works for the Telecom Regulation Authority (TRA) - but their Internet is cut too. The ccNSO representative is EGregistry.eg - and they are cut from the Internet as well. The ICANN manager for relations in the Middle East, Mr. Baher Esmat, is also based in Cairo - and he's also off-line. Many more participants in ICANN Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees, including ICANN fellows are also based in Egypt.

I have managed to speak to a couple of my own friends in Cairo. They explained that, like all Egyptians, they are worried about the security situation, their own personal security included. This is particularly important.

Whilst I understand that the current action by Egypt breaks ICANN's Core Value #1, it is my firm view that any statement might bring more harm that good to ICANN and its friends at the present moment, if it is not crafted with caution. This is a complex political situation which surpasses ICANN's sphere of influence, and I should seriously recommend that ALAC keeps a low profile about this because of the political implications for our friends on the ground.

That said, the Internet Society has released a Q&A document focussing primarily on the technical implications of the shut-down of Internet services in Egypt. It is very useful, and I propose that for the time being, we support this Q&A and point our members to it.

I am therefore asking the ALAC to endorse the following statement in an accelerated vote and procedure:

--- cut here ---

Statement of the ALAC regarding current situation in Egypt

The ALAC is concerned by the impact of developments in Egypt on the ordinary Internet user. In the light of ICANN's responsibility for IP address and AS number policy, and its core value of 'preserving and enhancing the operational stability, reliability, security, and global interoperability of the Internet', we endorse the ISOC statement and Q&A as expressed at http://isoc.org/wp/newsletter/?p=3100

Signed: The At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC)

--- cut here ---

I hope that this will receive support and in this case, Heidi will swiftly follow-up with regards to voting procedures.

In the meantime, and until the situation on the ground gets resolved, we wish all the Best to our Egyptian friends in this time of troubled politics in their country.

Best regards,

Olivier Crepin-Leblond ALAC Chair

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On 1 Feb 2011, at 20:12, Vanda UOL wrote:

I can endorse it. More than this is out of the ICANN´s scope.

While I endorsed the statement, I do not believe that more is out of ICANN's scope, though I understand it is out of some people's comfort zone It may be politically difficult for some, and it may be contrary to the political aims of others, but responding to this sort of attack on the Internet is what ICANN's scope as a steward is all about. ICANN should not remain silent on the issue of kill switches that render the network unstable. ICANN should not just bury its head when national actions cause properly assigned addresses and ASs to become unreachable because of political action, no matter who throws the switch or why. Whether it is Egypt's action last week, or US legislation later this year, rendering parts of the network inaccessible is something that ICANN cannot allow to happen while standing silently and idly by. a.

* Adam Peake wrote:

Anyway, a question from technical ignorance (as usual :-)). Are there technical implications for the rest of the Internet to causing ASs to become unreachable? The ISOC note covers some issues, but from ICANN/IANA perspective is this a bad thing. If yes, ICANN should comment, as should ALAC

There is an ICANN related aspect with revocation of IP addresses from the global routing as happend in Egypt. The IP addresses given out to the LIRs there are assigned within a policy which requires a useage pattern. By revoking the addresses from the BGP routing, the claimed use pattern is violated and therefore the assignment is not longer permitted.

From the policy point of view (ICANN's remit), the addresses can be claimed back and reassigned at other companies. In the light of shortage of legcay address space, we can't waste IP addresses, but require them to be reused as soon as possible to keep the internet growing and stable.

impact on the global Internet, once all TLDs are DNSSEC signed such blocking might cause problems.

Ack. Blocking is an attack pattern detected by DNSSEC. But it is unrelated to ICANN, despite the fact, that domains without reachable DNS servers does not match the delegation requirments and can be revoked by the registry (following the ICANN policies). So I'd like to propose the following statement: ************************************************************************ Despite it's clearly a sovereign decision of a national state to cut communication channels with the outside world, such a decision has consequences for the political, economic, and private sector. ICANN's remit is to keep the Internet - the leading communication network today - stable. Following ICANN's policy, it's not allowed to keep global identifiers for the purpose of communication while refusing to communicate. ICANN urges the gouvernmental, economic, and private parties to give back there communication identifiers like domain names and IP addresses or restart the necessary communication quickly. ************************************************************************

* McTim wrote:

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There is an ICANN related aspect with revocation of IP addresses from the global routing as happend in Egypt. The IP addresses given out to the LIRs there are assigned within a policy which requires a useage pattern. By revoking the addresses from the BGP routing, the claimed use pattern is violated and therefore the assignment is not longer permitted.

I would have to disagree, and, being a former hostmaster at a RIR, I have some perspective on this. Addresses are assigned to interfaces. Those interfaces are still up (presumably) and still need addresses. We give out IPs to folk who never want to connect to the public Internet, but still need to do internetworking. Hopefully, your proposed statement was in jest!

As a hostmaster of a LIR, I know the inquisitorous questions from the hostmasters of the RIR very well. I'm only allowed to assign address for a given purpose and if this purpose is not longer valid, I have to revoke the assignments. Of course, I can apply for internal usage and will obtain public address space if necessary. But I can't transfer address space given out for hosting usage into private usage. That would violate the policy.