[ALAC] List consolidation proposal
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists. I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org: alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS). alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call) regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership. Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site. As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them! Thanks, --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
I agree with Wendy. Specifically, would like to echo her recommendations in regards to an open NA List as well as using the more open and transparent ICANNWiki site for the development of collaborative texts. regards Robert On 6-Feb-07, at 7:34 AM, Wendy Seltzer wrote:
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists.
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site.
As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them!
Thanks, --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge- lists.icann.org
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge- lists.icann.org
Many thanks Wendy for your feedback :) One clarification that is worth noting, the only SocialText Wiki which is currently still private is the one for the ALAC - I will be happy to make it publicly accessible if the Committee wishes. Certainly there is nothing confidential that I can see there. If the community wonders why it is private, it might be useful to know that it is really a legacy of when that server itself was only accessible if you had a userid/password, which has changed in the last few weeks, rather than anything else. On 06/02/07, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists.
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site.
As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them!
Thanks, --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
-- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
In that case, lets make it public? Jacqueline Quoting Nick Ashton-Hart <nashton@spamcop.net>:
Many thanks Wendy for your feedback :)
One clarification that is worth noting, the only SocialText Wiki which is currently still private is the one for the ALAC - I will be happy to make it publicly accessible if the Committee wishes. Certainly there is nothing confidential that I can see there. If the community wonders why it is private, it might be useful to know that it is really a legacy of when that server itself was only accessible if you had a userid/password, which has changed in the last few weeks, rather than anything else.
On 06/02/07, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@seltzer.com> wrote:
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists.
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site.
As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them!
Thanks, --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org
-- -- Regards,
Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
-- Jacqueline A. Morris www.jacquelinemorris.com
Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
Many thanks Wendy for your feedback :)
One clarification that is worth noting, the only SocialText Wiki which is currently still private is the one for the ALAC - I will be happy to make it publicly accessible if the Committee wishes. Certainly there is nothing confidential that I can see there. If the community wonders why it is private, it might be useful to know that it is really a legacy of when that server itself was only accessible if you had a userid/password, which has changed in the last few weeks, rather than anything else.
Thanks Nick. I like SocialText, and their wiki even has some usability advantages over ICANNwiki, but ICANNwiki is where the community looks and has posting rights, so I think it's important for ALAC to be there. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: 718.780.7961 // fax: 718.780.0394 // cell: 914.374.0613 Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
I also agree with Wendy's proposal for list consolidation and use of ICANNwiki. I suggest the following changes to the names of the lists however: alac -> atlarge alac-internal -> alac As for North America, let's keep na-discuss and eliminate na-als, as Wendy suggests, _________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting GFI Solutions +1 514 236 5129 www.GFISolutions.com www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: 6 février 2007 07:35 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] [ALAC] List consolidation proposal
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists.
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site.
As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them!
Thanks, --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-l ists.icann.org
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge -lists.icann.org
If we could avoid renaming existing lists that would be helpful. Doing so means literally recreating them, their configuration, and resubscribing all members. As to the -ALS lists: The main purpose of these would be to provide a forum where accredited ALSes could act as the General Assembly of their regional RALO for the purposes of voting, nomination of candidates for RALO officers (where those exist), nominations of ALAC reps for the regions and voting on the same, etc. The discuss lists were meant to be precisely what they have become - open for all to join and discuss. If a region wishes to delete the -ALS list as they wish to conduct these 'official' functions on the discuss list or via some other mechanism then let me know and we'll delete them. Perhaps each region can discuss this individually on their -Discuss list and come to a common view. On 06/02/07, Luc Faubert <LFaubert@conceptum.ca> wrote:
I also agree with Wendy's proposal for list consolidation and use of ICANNwiki.
I suggest the following changes to the names of the lists however:
alac -> atlarge alac-internal -> alac
As for North America, let's keep na-discuss and eliminate na-als, as Wendy suggests,
_________________________________________ Luc Faubert Conseiller en gouvernance TI et en gestion du changement / IT governance and change management consulting GFI Solutions +1 514 236 5129 www.GFISolutions.com
www.LucFaubert.com www.isoc.qc.ca www.ccig.ca www.maillons.qc.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-als-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: 6 février 2007 07:35 To: alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [NA-ALS] [ALAC] List consolidation proposal
First off, thanks very much to Nick for finally helping us to get ALAC communications under our control and for tracking down ALS contacts to add to lists. Now, though, we have an embarrassment of riches -- so many lists that it's hard to know where to send and hard for the recipients to continue the discussion because they're fragmented among many one-way lists.
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
Finally, on the wikis, I propose using ICANNwiki exclusively, rather than the closed, publicly invisible Socialtext site.
As the ALAC is supposed to represent the interests of the individual Internet users, we should be holding more conversations with them!
Thanks, --Wendy
-- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org Visiting Assistant Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/
_______________________________________________ ALAC mailing list ALAC@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac_atlarge-l ists.icann.org
_______________________________________________ NA-ALS mailing list NA-ALS@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-als_atlarge -lists.icann.org
_______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists.ica...
-- -- Regards, Nick Ashton-Hart PO Box 32160 London N4 2XY United Kingdom UK Tel: +44 (20) 8800-1011 USA Tel: +1 (202) 657-5460 Fax: +44 (20) 7681-3135 mobile: +44 (7774) 932798 Win IM: ashtonhart@hotmail.com / AIM/iSight: nashtonhart@mac.com / Skype: nashtonhart Online Bio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtonhart
Wendy Seltzer ha scritto:
I propose the following for the lists @atlarge-lists.icann.org:
alac -- public archive, open membership, list for general ALAC business. Open for posting to any interested party (including the memberships of *-Discuss and *-ALS).
We might try that - as the number of subscribers grow, maybe we'll feel the need for a separate alac-only list, to discuss our own matters in public but without getting them lost in the overall traffic - assuming, as I said, that traffic develops.
alac-internal -- ALAC members only, no public archive, LIMITED use (e.g., what time's the conference call)
regional lists -- at the option of regions' ALSs and individuals, for discussion of region-specific business. Publicly archived; open or closed at regions' option. For NA, I propose consolidation down to NA-Discuss, open membership.
I think this is a good idea, and membership could be totally free, so we could have non-ALS individuals, more than one member per ALS, etc Possibly, we might keep the -ALS list as a closed instrument for cases in which formal one-way communication from ICANN to the ALSes has to happen (e.g. call for nominations, etc.). -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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