Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en] Issues regarding the Lack of Accountability and Transparency in LACRALO
Dev, Two brief comments. 1. I understand that there is a process underway to address and hopefully fix some of the root causes of the issues you refer to. I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening. 2. I am not in a position to predict outcomes, but I do plan to include the issue you raise in your second bullet, the ability to address RALO disputes at the ALAC level, will be raised during a forthcoming review and update of the ALAC Rules of Procedure. Alan At 18/02/2016 01:27 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote:
Please find attached a statement by several At-Large Structures on the issues regarding lack of Accountability and Transparency in LACRALO which makes some suggestions on the way forward.
The statement can also be viewed at https://www.dropbox.com/s/yi7ra2g8ymox9n6/Issues-regarding-Lack-of-Accountab...
This statement was sent during the ICANN54 Dublin meeting in October 2015 to the regional GSE, Staff, the ALAC chair, the Ombudsman and the ICANN Board member selected by At-Large"
It is being made public now before the ICANN Marrakech meeting in order to ensure that the FACTS are made known in advance of any discussions in Marrakesh, and so that no misrepresentation occurs.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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On 02/18/2016 11:18 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency? --karl--
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency?
This is ICANN. Our irony-o-meters burned out years ago. R's, John
How about a class action against ICANN for the damage they caused by overloading all our irony detectors? I am confused. How is can a organization founded upon lack of accountability and lack of transparency discuss standards for accountability and transparency? On Thu, February 18, 2016 2:25 pm, John R. Levine wrote:
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency?
This is ICANN. Our irony-o-meters burned out years ago.
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Hi, Honestly I am not sure I have good clarity yet on what ICANN staff would have done differently (well except for the Ombudsman's response). I think staff tries to provide information and facts as much as possible while leaving it to the community to decide(which is the right thing to do in this situation). We probably would have had issues as well if staff used veto over the decision of LACRALO leadership, as certain level of independence is required. Overall, I think this is a very delicate situation and we need to be careful on how we handle this without giving the impression that we as a community cannot resolve our challenges internally without relying on staff. I think bullet point 2 of the document shared by Dave is a critical thing we need to look at. I am particularly concerned that this issue has lingered thus far. I encourage the ALAC Chair to give this issue full priority(just incase this hasn't happen), it's also something the ALT can take-up formerly pending review of ALAC process. Regards On 19 Feb 2016 12:53 a.m., "Bill Silverstein" <icann-list@sorehands.com> wrote:
How about a class action against ICANN for the damage they caused by overloading all our irony detectors?
I am confused. How is can a organization founded upon lack of accountability and lack of transparency discuss standards for accountability and transparency?
On Thu, February 18, 2016 2:25 pm, John R. Levine wrote:
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency?
This is ICANN. Our irony-o-meters burned out years ago.
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I agree with almost everything Seun said. This is not an easy issue. and to solve problems, it’s better to do it in the narrowest circle. If it wasn’t possible, we need to go through the rules in place. The situation in LACRALO is very complicated. It is mainly a problem of trust. We have to find the right balance between the bottom-up nature of our work an d the independence of our RALOs from one side, and the need for a harmonious and productive climate inside each RALO on the other. As Alan and others said, it will need to be addressed by the forthcoming review to set up the right mechanisms for dispute resolution not only inside one RALO, but everywhere it may happen in the At-Large community. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tijani BEN JEMAA Executive Director Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI) Phone: +216 98 330 114 +216 52 385 114 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Le 19 févr. 2016 à 03:50, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hi,
Honestly I am not sure I have good clarity yet on what ICANN staff would have done differently (well except for the Ombudsman's response). I think staff tries to provide information and facts as much as possible while leaving it to the community to decide(which is the right thing to do in this situation).
We probably would have had issues as well if staff used veto over the decision of LACRALO leadership, as certain level of independence is required.
Overall, I think this is a very delicate situation and we need to be careful on how we handle this without giving the impression that we as a community cannot resolve our challenges internally without relying on staff. I think bullet point 2 of the document shared by Dave is a critical thing we need to look at.
I am particularly concerned that this issue has lingered thus far. I encourage the ALAC Chair to give this issue full priority(just incase this hasn't happen), it's also something the ALT can take-up formerly pending review of ALAC process.
Regards
On 19 Feb 2016 12:53 a.m., "Bill Silverstein" <icann-list@sorehands.com <mailto:icann-list@sorehands.com>> wrote: How about a class action against ICANN for the damage they caused by overloading all our irony detectors?
I am confused. How is can a organization founded upon lack of accountability and lack of transparency discuss standards for accountability and transparency?
On Thu, February 18, 2016 2:25 pm, John R. Levine wrote:
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency?
This is ICANN. Our irony-o-meters burned out years ago.
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Dear all, We hope we can answer this "statement" soon. I believe everybody needs to know "all" the problematic. However, I will focus my energy on trying to solve the division between Caribbean and Latin American ALSs. This is my main concern as elected LACRALO Chair. Regards Enviado desde mi iPhone
El 18-02-2016, a las 11:50 p.m., Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> escribió:
Hi,
Honestly I am not sure I have good clarity yet on what ICANN staff would have done differently (well except for the Ombudsman's response). I think staff tries to provide information and facts as much as possible while leaving it to the community to decide(which is the right thing to do in this situation).
We probably would have had issues as well if staff used veto over the decision of LACRALO leadership, as certain level of independence is required.
Overall, I think this is a very delicate situation and we need to be careful on how we handle this without giving the impression that we as a community cannot resolve our challenges internally without relying on staff. I think bullet point 2 of the document shared by Dave is a critical thing we need to look at.
I am particularly concerned that this issue has lingered thus far. I encourage the ALAC Chair to give this issue full priority(just incase this hasn't happen), it's also something the ALT can take-up formerly pending review of ALAC process.
Regards
On 19 Feb 2016 12:53 a.m., "Bill Silverstein" <icann-list@sorehands.com> wrote: How about a class action against ICANN for the damage they caused by overloading all our irony detectors?
I am confused. How is can a organization founded upon lack of accountability and lack of transparency discuss standards for accountability and transparency?
On Thu, February 18, 2016 2:25 pm, John R. Levine wrote:
1. ....I am afraid that this is currently been carried out within ICANN staff and I cannot provide further details other than to say something is happening.
Does anyone other than myself find it ironic that a discussion of accountability and transparency is, itself, subject to a lack of both accountability and transparency?
This is ICANN. Our irony-o-meters burned out years ago.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA