Perpetual Copyright on 'Foreign' Goods!
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court. The question is, say you buy a copyrighted article elsewhere, do you have the right to re-sell or otherwise dispose of it in the U.S. - or anywhere else for that matter - without let or hindrance? "John Wiley & Sons sued Supap Kirtsaeng for re-selling textbooks he bought in Thailand on the cheap. Wiley argues that by importing and selling the books without permission, Kirtsaeng violated copyright law—even though the books aren't pirated, they're simply cheap foreign editions." Depending on how it goes here, 'suitcase traders' could violate U.S. copyright laws. This may also have a bearing on digital artefacts purchased online. Here's the thing for local consumption, a lot of 'new' technologies flow between countries in this way. Look at the questions raised by Breyer, J and excerpted in the column here. Better yet, go read the transcript of oral arguments before the court. Yes, its long. But you will get a better sense of the principles - in the laws of copyright - at play here. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/supreme-court-seeks-a-way-around-...) - Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court.
I suppose, but what possible connection does it have to domain names or IP addresses? Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
On 30 October 2012 13:18, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court.
I suppose, but what possible connection does it have to domain names or IP addresses?
Just another example of over-reaching apparent self-entitlement of rights holders, I guess. Without reacting in detail, I don't see how the publisher can win. How can you violate COPYright when the alleged act in question provably doesn't involve copying? - Evan
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Without reacting in detail, I don't see how the publisher can win. How can you violate COPYright when the alleged act in question provably doesn't involve copying?
Somewhat simplifying, but: The rights of a copyright holder are not just limited to the right to make copies. The right to distribute is one of the other rights. 17 USC 106(3). "Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: ... to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending" That right generally is limited by the first sale doctrine, 17 USC 109(a): " Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord." But 17 USC 602(a)(1) puts a specific limitation on the first sale doctrine: "Importation.-Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501." So does the importation limitation trump the first sale doctrine? That's what the case is about, and how it involves copyright law without there being any issues of unlawful copying. -- James S. Tyre Law Offices of James S. Tyre 10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969 310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax) jstyre@jstyre.com Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge- lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:02 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Perpetual Copyright on 'Foreign' Goods!
On 30 October 2012 13:18, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court.
I suppose, but what possible connection does it have to domain names or IP addresses?
Just another example of over-reaching apparent self-entitlement of rights holders, I guess.
Without reacting in detail, I don't see how the publisher can win. How can you violate COPYright when the alleged act in question provably doesn't involve copying?
- Evan
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As I know ( I have been president of Brazilian Patent Office and responsible to approve the new IP law under TRIPs) yes, it does, this is a principle we call parallel import. The protection is focusing on the capacity to ones ( not only copyright, goods too) to avoid the formal contracted distribution in another country (which channel allow any price you would like to sell)and buy for a better price outside the country. For goods it´s applied mostly to developing countries to allow the control of the price the merchandize will be sold in such country. If you can import ( or download) from other outside the country, and not buy for the formal distributor, you will certainly have better price than you have inside the country. Best -----Mensagem original----- De: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de James S. Tyre Enviada em: terça-feira, 30 de outubro de 2012 16:43 Para: 'At-Large Worldwide' Assunto: Re: [At-Large] Perpetual Copyright on 'Foreign' Goods!
Without reacting in detail, I don't see how the publisher can win. How can you violate COPYright when the alleged act in question provably doesn't involve copying?
Somewhat simplifying, but: The rights of a copyright holder are not just limited to the right to make copies. The right to distribute is one of the other rights. 17 USC 106(3). "Subject to sections 107 through 122, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following: ... to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending" That right generally is limited by the first sale doctrine, 17 USC 109(a): " Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106(3), the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord." But 17 USC 602(a)(1) puts a specific limitation on the first sale doctrine: "Importation.-Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501." So does the importation limitation trump the first sale doctrine? That's what the case is about, and how it involves copyright law without there being any issues of unlawful copying. -- James S. Tyre Law Offices of James S. Tyre 10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969 310-839-4114/310-839-4602(fax) jstyre@jstyre.com Policy Fellow, Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org
-----Original Message----- From: at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge- lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:02 AM To: At-Large Worldwide Subject: Re: [At-Large] Perpetual Copyright on 'Foreign' Goods!
On 30 October 2012 13:18, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court.
I suppose, but what possible connection does it have to domain names or IP addresses?
Just another example of over-reaching apparent self-entitlement of rights holders, I guess.
Without reacting in detail, I don't see how the publisher can win. How can you violate COPYright when the alleged act in question provably doesn't involve copying?
- Evan
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this
e-mail.
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See Evan's answer below..... ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
IMO, this is a very important case being argued in the U.S. Supreme Court.
I suppose, but what possible connection does it have to domain names or IP addresses?
Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly _______________________________________________ At-Large mailing list At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
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