Re: [At-Large] [governance] Can anyone surf to peking university?
Karl - I have no idea what your going on about - as usual. In fact the site you are a looking at is the English default site for Peking University. The site seen at http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ is the same as http://www.pku.edu.cn/ - the only difference is that one site is available via an IANA TLD (.cn) and the other is available via a Chinese National TLD (.xn--fiqs8s). In fact in Chinese the proper URL for this is http://北京大学.中国/ <http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/> and as you can see uses Chinese characters. This is not a surprise to ICANN nor any one else who has been paying attention to China. The Chinese National TLDs have existed since early 2005 - and were tested I think way back in 2003. The only point I was making is that 300 millions people in China can see the Chinese TLD system - the rest of the world under ICANN can't. I don't even thing the TLDA can see them. cheers joe baptista On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Karl E. Peters <kpeters@tldainc.org> wrote:
Does the site you can see through your posted link look substantially different than this one (http://en.pku.edu.cn/ ) that came up through ASK.COM? If they are different, there is a story here. Otherwise, the ramification is the obvious for ICANN, it is ever more marginalized. Of course, that will come as a surprise only to ICANN. The rest of the world can see the writing on the wall...
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [governance] Can anyone surf to peking university? From: Joe Baptista <baptista@publicroot.org> Date: Mon, June 15, 2009 11:53 am To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> This is the official URL for Peking University - it's in IDN http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ how many people here can surf to that URL? I can see it. but any one on the ICANN root can't. Chinese domains can only be seen in china or to those outside china who see the chinese root system. cheers joe baptista p.s. where is icann in this equation? -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com <hr>____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance@lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, send any message to: governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org For all list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
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Karl - I have no idea what your going on about - as usual. In fact the site you are a looking at is the English default site for Peking University. The site seen at http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ is the same as
It's the same site as http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.cn which you can resolve perfectly well from the real root. I agree that ICANN needs to get its IDN act together, but the nonsense about "alternative" roots is really tired. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, ex-Mayor "More Wiener schnitzel, please", said Tom, revealingly.
see comments below: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:00 AM, John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
Karl - I have no idea what your going on about - as usual. In fact the
site you are a looking at is the English default site for Peking University. The site seen at http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.xn--fiqs8s/ is the same as
It's the same site as http://xn--1lq90ic7fzpc.cn which you can resolve perfectly well from the real root.
Real root? What's that? Are you implying the China root is any less real then the IANA root. Sorry John - but when 300 million people can resolve TLDs not found in the IANA (real ??? root) using the China root I think thats as real as it gets - don't you.
I agree that ICANN needs to get its IDN act together,
It's too late for China. In fact I doubt China will even apply to ICANN for TLDs they have been operating now for over 6 years. Their very REAL root experiment has proven to them they don't need the added baggage ICANN brings to the table.
but the nonsense about "alternative" roots is really tired.
It never gets tiresome. It is however very inconvenient to the ICANN propaganda machine. I agree with that. cheers joe baptista -- Joe Baptista www.publicroot.org PublicRoot Consortium ---------------------------------------------------------------- The future of the Internet is Open, Transparent, Inclusive, Representative & Accountable to the Internet community @large. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office: +1 (360) 526-6077 (extension 052) Fax: +1 (509) 479-0084 Personal: www.joebaptista.wordpress.com
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