Sarah, I am only trying to get information to the List on this important topic. I am concerned of the Charter getting hijacked by a small group of members meeting together, when there was a long debate about it last summer on the List. There were 18 versions of the Charter and ultimately a vote of Members to approve it. I disagree that it was intended as an interim Charter, other than to incorporate changes to coordinate with a CSG charter. I further disagree that there is anything in the newly enacted GNSO Council procedural rules that require any substantial change to the BC charter. They are linked here: http://gnso.icann.org/council/gnso-op-procedures-05aug10-en.pdf. Please specify any that you see. Instead, at least Mikey seems to want to redo debate over virtually every substantial issue in the Charter, repeated below. You say that's a "good start" and list 4 other areas. So I am concerned, and I want to know what specific proposals for change are 1) required in any sense; and 2) otherwise proposed by any Member, and why. I think it is best and reasonable for Members to have that information far in advance of any member meeting at which they will be discussed. [Mikey's List] -- membership -- whether/how consultants and new-gTLD-applicants fit in our membership focus. -- disclosure -- whether consultants/lawyers/etc. needed to disclose their clients and the interests of those clients (we've got a new framework from the GNSO to incorporate into this one) -- Credentials Committee -- processes for members to appeal if their application is denied, and processes for disciplining members -- GNSO Council representatives -- the "each constituency elects 2" structure was an interim thing awaiting decisions further up the food-chain -- Executive Committee -- this charter created the Executive Committee and their roles out of thin air, so there well may be a number of tweaks that need to be applied based on experience -- Finance and Policy Committees -- again, created from whole cloth. experience may be a good teacher here as well. -- Policy-development process -- thresholds for adopting policy positions, process, etc. -- role and supervision of the Secretariat -- this was substantially changed, again experience may be a good teacher -- standards of behavior -- a very tough issue that may be informed by subsequent work of various players -- the level of accountability, authority and responsibility that apply to (and between) Council reps, Excom members and the constituency -- this one clearly needs work and clarification [Sarah's addition] -- provisions about term limits, transparency, financial accountability and record keeping, voting remedies, etc. Thanks, Mike Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Deutsch, Sarah B Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 9:47 AM To: 'icann@rodenbaugh.com'; 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] CSG charter and knock-on effects to BC charter The deadline to amend the CSG Charter is approaching, but unfortunately there has been no drafting since then. We discussed the Charter in Brussels, and the CSG reps met in Brussels, but we have not heard back from the other Constituency reps and we obviously need to move this along. That is one reason why we are slating a discussion of this topic at the upcoming DC meeting. We need to begin that drafting process to meet the Board's deadline. You are more than welcome to attend in person or by phone and hear all the details for yourself. It may also be helpful to review the attached Powerpoint presentation, which I gave at the Brussels meeting covering many of the issues that will need to be decided in the CSG drafting process. Soon after we tackle the CSG Charter, we need to turn to the process of amending the BC Charter. You both seem to be of the opinion that the BC Charter doesn't need updating, but it's my understanding that the GNSO Structural Improvements Mike and Zahid voted to approve now require changes to the Charter. It certainly seems more than transparent that we will be discussing this issue in some detail at the upcoming BC meeting. All BC members are encouraged to discuss what additional changes they want or don't want to see since this will be a collective effort. The list Mikey provided along with the additional list of issues I provided in my earlier response are a good start. Rather than lobbing out continued accusations of non-transparency or imagined conspiracy theories, I would urge you both to participate in these two efforts going forward. Any BC member can also call me directly rather than burdening the list with continued barbs. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:45 AM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] CSG charter and knock-on effects to BC charter +1 As a member of the BC ExComm, I also have been asking these questions, and have no answer. This despite six months of Charter drafting and debate last year. Yet the rest of the ExComm has voted to have an in-person meeting in two weeks, where this is to be a major topic of discussion? Transparency is severely lacking. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1 (415) 738-8087 http://rodenbaugh.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] On Behalf Of Philip Sheppard Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:40 AM To: 'bc - GNSO list' Subject: [bc-gnso] CSG charter and knock-on effects to BC charter Sarah, to be clear my comment on experience was not about the experience of the current members of the ex comm, but the aggregate experience we have as a constituency in using the new Charter. There are already issues in Mikey's list that were safeguards placed into the BC Charter which directly addressed issues that the previous Charter did not. Some of these - actually most of these- have simply not been tested yet. --------------------------------- Nevertheless, I repeat that as a BC member I to date have NOT been informed of the detail of changes planned to either Charter and I'd like to know what they are please. Philip