Last call for CCWP charter
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, We had some time to comment the charter text for the Cross Community Working Part on ICANN and Human Rights both on this list and in the call, I would like to propose that we leave the text (as put underneath) open for comment for one more week and then work with this charter and go ahead do some research before the Buenos Aires meeting. I'm greatly looking forward to your questions, suggestions and comments and to hopefully come to consensus by Tuesday next week. Best, Niels Background: This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation. Objective: The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations. Responsibilities and scope of work: (i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights; (ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;; (iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights; (iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws. (v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights. (vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate (vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue. Membership The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. - -- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVGzT9AAoJEAi1oPJjbWjpnF8H+wRwO9Yhf3ugquccQ/qu9FpH gPSStP7wIKCvRM0DjDIVN5Y1C8h/yvBy4sLdUUb5PLBwHKTOn5Ef7cS5PnZlNfQv KhxfypaTySavtuduj7oaP7x84QKT+57XPvGtjXjZNFYLzf4YlUixNqQPEoOoFLcZ J3s4mKM0hSqP2NjUuSx2CiN1ygiioU1g3F9Pe/GsUA6wyxQgYcrXozS9uZy+o1n5 uDyPa16WoCRuVPBrHkDYMKUQ6ds6CtaDxr19UPjE2j+fNvm6enl33ipJObUeeVtd Tt+t7cqdtQ5u+d6xRSLDgCp8ZMihf50XPdlY4KmYqV2KLMA4eCNG0/aRCjpI1K4= =8S5t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
All, I am a bit concerned every time an organisation that is not a state say that they work with human rights. Not that it is wrong, but as human rights are promises members of the UN (i.e. states) have promised each other, it is if one is pedantic a bit difficult to know what other kind of organisations are supposed to. And "what to do" is one of the most important discussions to have, as the actual implementation given agreement on this often is simple. An organisation can work with "human rights related issues" or, what is I think more correct, "corporate social responsibility issues", i.e. CSR issues. Also because I think CSR issue is so much more than human rights, like labour, blood diamonds and such. As human rights forces a state to either do actions to protect or help people, or forbid states to do things, CSR from my perspective is the discussion on what ICANN can and should do within that context. Specifically as ICANN work in a global context. Will this include ICANN own behaviour, and/or also the way ICANN should act when being present in States that are by UNHRC viewed as violating the human rights? So, I will try this afternoon, if the above do make sense, try to fine tune the wording. Change "human rights" to "csr" in a few places, and suggest a new text. Unless you Niels already do that because you are faster than me :-) Sorry if I am picky here, but I think it is of outmost important ICANN being a global organisation with both a corporate body and a community that come up with policies that impact people (and states) in the world, do this the right way. In general, I only think I am talking about words chosen. Not what the group should do. Patrik
On 1 Apr 2015, at 01:59, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Signed PGP part Dear all,
We had some time to comment the charter text for the Cross Community Working Part on ICANN and Human Rights both on this list and in the call, I would like to propose that we leave the text (as put underneath) open for comment for one more week and then work with this charter and go ahead do some research before the Buenos Aires meeting.
I'm greatly looking forward to your questions, suggestions and comments and to hopefully come to consensus by Tuesday next week.
Best,
Niels
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
-- Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
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Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation. [Note that article 4 says: The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations. I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights]
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights;
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights;
(iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that). Patrik (1) <https://www.unglobalcompact.org> (2) <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ICT.pdf>
I support this approach in general although I would note that CSR is quite all-encompassing: /CSR is defined by the European Commission as "the responsibility of enterprises for their impacts on society" (//COM (2011) 681 <http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0681:FIN:EN:PDF>//////). The Commission encourages that enterprises "should have in place a process to integrate social, environmental, ethical human rights and consumer concerns into their business operations and core strategy in close collaboration with their stakeholders".// / Obviously, the charter should make explicit or the WP would have to agree the scope of work within the broader CSR framing. Matthew On 4/1/2015 2:35 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation. This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
[Note that article 4 says:
The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations.
I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights]
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations. The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights; (i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;; (ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights; (iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws. (iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights. (v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate (vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue. (vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that).
Patrik
(1) <https://www.unglobalcompact.org> (2) <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ICT.pdf>
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On 1 Apr 2015, at 15:46, Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org> wrote:
I support this approach in general although I would note that CSR is quite all-encompassing:
Agree, but on the other hand, I do not want it limited to human rights related issues, but also specifically for example labor issues. That's why I like when I found ability to write "CSR, specifically in relation to Human Rights" and such constructs. paf
CSR is defined by the European Commission as "the responsibility of enterprises for their impacts on society" (COM (2011) 681 <f_pdf_16.gif>). The Commission encourages that enterprises "should have in place a process to integrate social, environmental, ethical human rights and consumer concerns into their business operations and core strategy in close collaboration with their stakeholders".
Obviously, the charter should make explicit or the WP would have to agree the scope of work within the broader CSR framing.
Matthew
On 4/1/2015 2:35 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
[Note that article 4 says:
The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations.
I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights]
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights;
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights;
(iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that).
Patrik
(1) <https://www.unglobalcompact.org>
(2) <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ICT.pdf>
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I think this makes sense in the Charter, although I too worry about it becoming over-broad. However, broad is fine in the Charter, as long as we focus on a concrete path towards the work. Thanks to Patrik for this! Have to go read those other documents now....:-) On 15-04-01 9:49 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: >> On 1 Apr 2015, at 15:46, Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org> wrote: >> >> I support this approach in general although I would note that CSR is quite all-encompassing: > Agree, but on the other hand, I do not want it limited to human rights related issues, but also specifically for example labor issues. That's why I like when I found ability to write "CSR, specifically in relation to Human Rights" and such constructs. > > paf > >> CSR is defined by the European Commission as "the responsibility of enterprises for their impacts on society" (COM (2011) 681 <f_pdf_16.gif>). The Commission encourages that enterprises "should have in place a process to integrate social, environmental, ethical human rights and consumer concerns into their business operations and core strategy in close collaboration with their stakeholders". >> >> Obviously, the charter should make explicit or the WP would have to agree the scope of work within the broader CSR framing. >> >> Matthew >> >> >> >> On 4/1/2015 2:35 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: >>> Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective >>> >>> >>>> Background: >>>> >>>> This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand >>>> the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, >>>> procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned >>>> Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it >>>> focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human >>>> rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, >>>> further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's >>>> procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental >>>> freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of >>>> Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. >>>> It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in >>>> accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation. >>>> >>> This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation. >>> >>> [Note that article 4 says: >>> >>> The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations. >>> >>> I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights] >>> >>> >>>> Objective: >>>> >>>> The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise >>>> awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make >>>> suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN's >>>> policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights >>>> standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) >>>> and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). >>>> The working party will focus on human rights that are directly >>>> impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations. >>>> >>> The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN's policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations. >>> >>> >>>> Responsibilities and scope of work: >>>> >>>> (i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay >>>> between ICANN's policies, procedures and operations and human rights; >>>> >>> (i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN's policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights; >>> >>> >>>> (ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as >>>> well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present >>>> an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to >>>> harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;; >>>> >>> (ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;; >>> >>> >>>> (iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or >>>> that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the >>>> respect for human rights; >>>> >>> (iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights; >>> >>> >>>> (iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the >>>> chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how >>>> ICANN's policies and procedures can be developed and implemented >>>> consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. >>>> This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in >>>> the ICANN Bylaws. >>>> >>> (iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN's policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws. >>> >>> >>>> (v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing >>>> assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development >>>> and/or being implemented may impact on human rights. >>>> >>> (v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights. >>> >>> >>>> (vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate >>>> >>> (vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate >>> >>> >>>> (vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing >>>> for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue. >>>> >>> (vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue. >>> >>> >>>> Membership >>>> >>>> The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is >>>> proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN >>>> community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the >>>> discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact >>>> of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities >>>> will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. >>>> >>> The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN >>> community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that). >>> >>> Patrik >>> >>> (1) >>> <https://www.unglobalcompact.org> >>> >>> (2) >>> <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ICT.pdf> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> cc-humanrights mailing list >>> >>> cc-humanrights@icann.org >>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights >> -- >> Matthew Shears >> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights >> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT) >> + 44 (0)771 247 2987 >> > > > _______________________________________________ > cc-humanrights mailing list > cc-humanrights@icann.org > https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-humanrights
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Thanks a lot for your contributions, especially Patrik. Sorry for not responding earlier. I think Corporate Social Responsibility is really quite all encompassing, which would require for us to do more scoping, in our earlier work (and report [0]) we have been focusing on the Corporate Responsibility of ICANN (as defined in the Rugge Principles [1]). Would that perhaps be a good compromise? That would also allow us to focus on other topics as the ones mentioned by Patrik, but would still allow us to have a relatively limited scope. Best, Niels [0] http://www.article19.org/resources.php/resource/37845/en/icann%E2%80%99s - -corporate-responsibility-to-respect-human-rights [1] http://business-humanrights.org/en/un-guiding-principles Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 04/01/2015 05:32 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
I think this makes sense in the Charter, although I too worry about it becoming over-broad. However, broad is fine in the Charter, as long as we focus on a concrete path towards the work. Thanks to Patrik for this! Have to go read those other documents now....:-) On 15-04-01 9:49 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 1 Apr 2015, at 15:46, Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org> wrote:
I support this approach in general although I would note that CSR is quite all-encompassing: Agree, but on the other hand, I do not want it limited to human rights related issues, but also specifically for example labor issues. That's why I like when I found ability to write "CSR, specifically in relation to Human Rights" and such constructs.
paf
CSR is defined by the European Commission as "the responsibility of enterprises for their impacts on society" (COM (2011) 681 <f_pdf_16.gif>). The Commission encourages that enterprises "should have in place a process to integrate social, environmental, ethical human rights and consumer concerns into their business operations and core strategy in close collaboration with their stakeholders".
Obviously, the charter should make explicit or the WP would have to agree the scope of work within the broader CSR framing.
Matthew
On 4/1/2015 2:35 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
[Note that article 4 says:
The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations.
I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights]
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights;
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights;
(iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that).
Patrik
(1) <https://www.unglobalcompact.org>
(2) <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ ICT.pdf>
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On 5 apr 2015, at 16:30, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
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Thanks a lot for your contributions, especially Patrik. Sorry for not responding earlier.
I think Corporate Social Responsibility is really quite all encompassing, which would require for us to do more scoping, in our earlier work (and report [0]) we have been focusing on the Corporate Responsibility of ICANN (as defined in the Rugge Principles [1]). Would that perhaps be a good compromise?
That would also allow us to focus on other topics as the ones mentioned by Patrik, but would still allow us to have a relatively limited scope.
Yes, of course. I might be completely alone in the thinking, and do not mind (well... ;-) ) being overridden, but for me a non-State do always work on CSR issues. That is "how the organization is to behave". This is as you say a very very broad area that can include anything. What this group want to work on are issues related to Human Rights. And that scope I am absolutely in support of. I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights. And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-) Patrik
Best,
Niels
[0] http://www.article19.org/resources.php/resource/37845/en/icann%E2%80%99s -corporate-responsibility-to-respect-human-rights [1] http://business-humanrights.org/en/un-guiding-principles
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On 04/01/2015 05:32 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
I think this makes sense in the Charter, although I too worry about it becoming over-broad. However, broad is fine in the Charter, as long as we focus on a concrete path towards the work. Thanks to Patrik for this! Have to go read those other documents now....:-) On 15-04-01 9:49 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 1 Apr 2015, at 15:46, Matthew Shears <mshears@cdt.org> wrote:
I support this approach in general although I would note that CSR is quite all-encompassing: Agree, but on the other hand, I do not want it limited to human rights related issues, but also specifically for example labor issues. That's why I like when I found ability to write "CSR, specifically in relation to Human Rights" and such constructs.
paf
CSR is defined by the European Commission as "the responsibility of enterprises for their impacts on society" (COM (2011) 681 <f_pdf_16.gif>). The Commission encourages that enterprises "should have in place a process to integrate social, environmental, ethical human rights and consumer concerns into their business operations and core strategy in close collaboration with their stakeholders".
Obviously, the charter should make explicit or the WP would have to agree the scope of work within the broader CSR framing.
Matthew
On 4/1/2015 2:35 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
Here is a proposal for few changes that makes it better from my perspective
Background:
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions for the impact that policies, procedures and operations of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) have on human rights. In particular it focuses on the corporate responsibility of ICANN to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights, in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate social responsibility of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations. In particular it focuses on the responsibility of ICANN in the context of human rights discussions. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalysed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to, and respect of, a strong corporate social responsibility programme, all in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation.
[Note that article 4 says:
The Corporation shall operate for the benefit of the Internet community as a whole, carrying out its activities in conformity with relevant principles of international law and applicable international conventions and local law and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with these Articles and its Bylaws, through open and transparent processes that enable competition and open entry in Internet-related markets. To this effect, the Corporation shall cooperate as appropriate with relevant international organizations.
I do not think this is strong enough, as it only talks about law, and not talk about CSR related issues, and specifically not about the context of Human Rights]
Objective:
The CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights standards, such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
The CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized CSR standards, such as United Nations Global Compact(1), the European Commission and IHRB guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector(2). This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work:
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and human rights;
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and CSR issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with human rights would be necessary;;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies,procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;;
(iii) To develop guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure the respect for human rights;
(iii) To develop CSR guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized human rights standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized CSR standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
Membership
The membership of the Working Party on ICANN and Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on Human Rights Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
The membership of the CCWP on CSR for ICANN is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on CSR, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
I think something like this is much better, and I can strongly recommend the EU-COM text created by IHRB and Shift on how to go through such a process(2). Yes, I helped creating it, and it might sound like bragging, but I actually think it ended up being a really good document. Specifically, see pages marked "Questions to ask" (i.e. 26, 41, 56 etc). That is what I really would like a CCWG like this go through (i.e. a version of that).
Patrik
(1) <https://www.unglobalcompact.org>
(2) <http://www.ihrb.org/pdf/eu-sector-guidance/EC-Guides/ICT/EC-Guide_ ICT.pdf>
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Hi, On 05-Apr-15 10:42, Patrik Fältström wrote:
What this group want to work on are issues related to Human Rights. And that scope I am absolutely in support of.
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
I think it is a reasonable approach. avri --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Hi, I should add I think the charter pretty much says that without specifically using the CSR term. Since that term is somewhat fuzzy, it is probably more important to make sure the charter includes what we mean by that, and less so to necessarily include the term. What specific changes would it need to say that better? avri On 05-Apr-15 11:25, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
On 05-Apr-15 10:42, Patrik Fältström wrote:
What this group want to work on are issues related to Human Rights. And that scope I am absolutely in support of.
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
I think it is a reasonable approach.
avri
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On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Avri Doria <avri@ACM.ORG> wrote:
Hi,
On 05-Apr-15 10:42, Patrik Fältström wrote:
What this group want to work on are issues related to Human Rights. And that scope I am absolutely in support of.
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
I think it is a reasonable approach.
NCSG recently sent a reply to the Board Risk Committee request for feedback on Top 5 ICANN enterprise risks saying that "The first, overarching risk is if staff and leadership think of ICANN as an corporation with 'enterprise risks' rather than a community-driven global governance mechanism with global public responsibilities and associated risks.” And here we’re saying that we think of ICANN as an corporation with enterprise social responsibilities, some of which relate to human rights. So I guess it’s sort of the same argument one would make for Caterpillar Tractor or Exxon, except that the ‘product’ is policy. I understand why CSR and the Ruggie principles appeal to people as an established ‘hook’ to say ICANN must pay attention, but somehow feel some vague discomfort with the ontological aspect. Being on my first coffee of the day and not being a specialist in HR law I don’t have a clear vision of what the full implications of taking this down the CSR road might be relative to other possible paths, but if you all are confident it’s optimal then okydoky. Cheers Bill
On 6 apr 2015, at 08:29, William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com> wrote:
NCSG recently sent a reply to the Board Risk Committee request for feedback on Top 5 ICANN enterprise risks saying that "The first, overarching risk is if staff and leadership think of ICANN as an corporation with 'enterprise risks' rather than a community-driven global governance mechanism with global public responsibilities and associated risks.” And here we’re saying that we think of ICANN as an corporation with enterprise social responsibilities, some of which relate to human rights. So I guess it’s sort of the same argument one would make for Caterpillar Tractor or Exxon, except that the ‘product’ is policy. I understand why CSR and the Ruggie principles appeal to people as an established ‘hook’ to say ICANN must pay attention, but somehow feel some vague discomfort with the ontological aspect. Being on my first coffee of the day and not being a specialist in HR law I don’t have a clear vision of what the full implications of taking this down the CSR road might be relative to other possible paths, but if you all are confident it’s optimal then okydoky.
FWIW, I agree with you Bill that there is a risk here that the discussion focus too much on the enterprise thinking on risk when in reality it is important ICANN both take care of the enterprise risks (which is the responsibility of ICANN as the corporation leadership and staff) AND the risks ICANN as the community take in the development of policies and what not. Specifically as, which I agree with, ICANN is more and more acting as a corporation and less as a community with a few strong PDPs that they host. That said, I think we now do have something we all understand what we want. We just need to choose the correct words. Patrik
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/2015 08:55 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 6 apr 2015, at 08:29, William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com> wrote:
NCSG recently sent a reply to the Board Risk Committee request for feedback on Top 5 ICANN enterprise risks saying that "The first, overarching risk is if staff and leadership think of ICANN as an corporation with 'enterprise risks' rather than a community-driven global governance mechanism with global public responsibilities and associated risks.” And here we’re saying that we think of ICANN as an corporation with enterprise social responsibilities, some of which relate to human rights. So I guess it’s sort of the same argument one would make for Caterpillar Tractor or Exxon, except that the ‘product’ is policy. I understand why CSR and the Ruggie principles appeal to people as an established ‘hook’ to say ICANN must pay attention, but somehow feel some vague discomfort with the ontological aspect. Being on my first coffee of the day and not being a specialist in HR law I don’t have a clear vision of what the full implications of taking this down the CSR road might be relative to other possible paths, but if you all are confident it’s optimal then okydoky.
FWIW, I agree with you Bill that there is a risk here that the discussion focus too much on the enterprise thinking on risk when in reality it is important ICANN both take care of the enterprise risks (which is the responsibility of ICANN as the corporation leadership and staff) AND the risks ICANN as the community take in the development of policies and what not.
Specifically as, which I agree with, ICANN is more and more acting as a corporation and less as a community with a few strong PDPs that they host.
That said, I think we now do have something we all understand what we want. We just need to choose the correct words.
I have been talking to several CSR people and reviewing the text Patrik proposed. For easy editing and a clear overview I put the several versions here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/ If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further. Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report. So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable. Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me: 1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights But I think that this has a far wider scope: 4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing: On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
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On 6 apr 2015, at 17:53, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
I have been talking to several CSR people and reviewing the text Patrik proposed. For easy editing and a clear overview I put the several versions here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Thanks!
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that. I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives. But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1]. I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels. Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway). It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are. And still, I can view myself be in the minority here. Patrik
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do. There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility. It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of: 5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ? I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document. Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights. Looking forward to discuss. Best, Niels
Hi I’m glad we’re having this conversation, think it’s useful.
On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:27 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
That something doesn’t get mentioned in a particular meeting isn’t necessarily dispositive. In any event, FWIW my inclination would be the frame the thing broadly as CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights and then under that broad rubric continue the dialogue about the best lines of operationalization and argumentation, which CSR could prove to be after more probing assessment of the various options’ strengths and weaknesses. Best BD
Coming late to the conversation .. Personally I don't have strong feelings about which labels are used as long as the scope of what we're dealing with is clear and we know what we are and aren't talking about. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://www.blacknight.press/ - get all our latest media releases & coverage http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
Hello everyone, I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights. I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday. Best, Niels PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr Background This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility. Objective The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations. Responsibilities and scope of work (i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights; (ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary; (iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights; (iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws. (v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights. (vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate (vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue. The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner. Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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Hi all, I know there have been a lot of debates on the title. My final insights. Just being very strategic and critical:'CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' is too long for others to bother saying, remembering, etc in my opinion. Putting 'ICANNs' and 'Corporate' is saying the same thing twice - indeed the title ' ICANN' means 'International Corporation for......, so we then say Corporation's Corporate Responsibility. The same. Ruggie says: the Corporate Responsibility to Respect human rights. Ruggie is the starting point, so I think combing these two insights, I would suggest: ‘CCWP on ICANNs Responsibility to Respect Human Rights’ On the other hand, Niels proposed 'CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' - and it is also good, but too long and repetetive, in my view; Best wishes, Monika On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights.
I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday.
Best,
Niels
PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Background
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility.
Objective
The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;
(iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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Just to make things clear, I think this is fine. This should move forward in the chartering process. Patrik
On 10 apr 2015, at 11:43, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights.
I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday.
Best,
Niels
PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Background
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility.
Objective
The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;
(iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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Hi Patrik, indeed it is time to move on. we got an acceptable charter for now and we should start the real work (we have less than 3 months before BA meeting) Best, Rafik 2015-04-14 2:34 GMT+09:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@netnod.se>:
Just to make things clear, I think this is fine.
This should move forward in the chartering process.
Patrik
On 10 apr 2015, at 11:43, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights.
I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday.
Best,
Niels
PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Background
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility.
Objective
The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;
(iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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Hello everyone, As we are about to start writing a new research paper/report for ICANN 53 together with Niels and Article 19 , it would be great if You could comment and suggest what could be added/deleted from the initial draft OUTLINE and propose the potential length & title for the paper. Se my initial proposal below, and all are welcome to make suggestions: *Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights: Practical Recommendations for ICANN * 1. 1. Introduction 2. 2. The Internet Specific CSR- HR Considerations 3. 3. Learning from Others: How the Human Rights Policies Have Been Implemented in Other Organizations 3.1.Insights from IHRB Report & Sample HR Policies 3.2. Insights on CSR-HR as they relate to a) freedom of expression b) data protection and privacy 3.3.Internet specific CSR_HR initiates/projects, each as, e.g., Silicon Valley Standard, Global Network Initiative 3.4. Lessons for ICANN 4. Fitting CHR-HR mechanisms/policies into ICANN Context/Policy process; 4. 1. Short-term/ad hoc measures 4. 2. Long-term continuous procedures/mechanisms in place 4. 3. HR impacts assessments & how that could be implemented in ICANN. 5. Examples of/Potential Areas/Policies Where CSR-HR Needs to Be Implemented This could include one or both: 5.1. Some broad naming of problematic areas; and/or 5.2. Closer look/case study on specific policy (e.g., the UDRP - to go to, e.g., in the Annex?); 6. Conclusions/Recommendations Will be waiting for Your ideas and suggestions, Best wishes On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Patrik,
indeed it is time to move on. we got an acceptable charter for now and we should start the real work (we have less than 3 months before BA meeting)
Best,
Rafik
2015-04-14 2:34 GMT+09:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@netnod.se>:
Just to make things clear, I think this is fine.
This should move forward in the chartering process.
Patrik
On 10 apr 2015, at 11:43, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights.
I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday.
Best,
Niels
PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Background
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility.
Objective
The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;
(iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
Article 19 www.article19.org
PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: > I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It > should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights. > > And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this > kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted. I am looking forward to continue our work on the research! Rafik has already booked a room for Buenos Aires, I will soon come back with more comments on the research as outlines by Monika, all your comments on that are still very welcome. Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 04/10/2015 11:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have tried to balance both the comments and text suggestions from everyone in the following draft text for the CCWP. I tried to balance ICANNs corporate responsibilities, social responsibilities, its impact on society and its impact on human rights.
I hope this text is both broad and narrow enough for everyone to work with. I'm greatly looking forward to your endorsements, comments (preferably with text suggestions), I hope we can make the final decision on Tuesday.
Best,
Niels
PS I'm also keeping a pad with the changes here: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/icannhr
Background
This cross community working party (CCWP) seeks to map and understand the issues and potential solutions related to corporate and social responsibilities of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), and this related, but not limited to policies, procedures and operations, it particularly focuses on ICANNs responsibility to respect human rights. It builds on a long term community engagement on this topic, further catalyzed with the publication of the paper 'ICANN's procedures and policies in the light of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic values', as commissioned by the Council of Europe, and after sessions held in London, Los Angeles and Singapore. It seeks to improve ICANN's measures to respect human rights in accordance with article 4 of ICANN's articles of incorporation and and have established a programme for corporate social responsibility.
Objective
The CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights would have the purpose to raise awareness, provide information, facilitate dialogue and make suggestions to ICANN the corporation and the ICANN community on ways to better harmonize ICANN’s policies and procedures with internationally recognized human rights and corporate social responsibility standards, such as UN Guiding Principles on Business and HUman Rights, the UN Global Compact, and the European Commission and International Human Rights and Business guidelines on implementation of the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights for the ICT Sector. This specifically in the context of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). The working party will focus on issues related to human rights that are directly impacted by ICANN policy decisions, procedures and operations.
Responsibilities and scope of work
(i) To continue the process of raising awareness about the interplay between ICANN’s policies, procedures and operations and corporate and social responsibility issues, specifically with respect for human rights;
(ii) To map and collect information from the community about cases as well as current ICANN policies, procedures and operations that present an impact on the respect of human rights in which further guidance on how to harmonize policies and procedures with increased respect of human rights would be necessary;
(iii) To develop corporate and social responsibility guidelines for the procedures that are in place or that should be created in the policy development process to ensure specifically, but not limited to, the respect for human rights;
(iv) To provide information, suggestions and recommendations to the chartering organizations and to the broader ICANN community on how ICANN’s policies and procedures can be developed and implemented consistent with internationally recognized standards. This input can inform the policy development processes as defined in the ICANN Bylaws.
(v) To propose procedures and mechanisms with the aim of producing assessments on if and how policies and procedures under development and/or being implemented may impact on human rights.
(vi) Draft Position Papers and Statements as deemed appropriate
(vii) To carry out further discussions about the pertinence and timing for the creation of a cross-community working group on this issue.
The membership of the CCWP on ICANNs Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights is proposed to include members representing the diversity of the ICANN community. The Working Party will serve as a focal point for the CSR discussion, knowledge dissemination and communication about the impact of ICANN's policies and procedures on corporate and social responsibility, specifically related to Human Rights. Its activities will be conducted in an open and fully transparent manner.
Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
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On 04/06/2015 06:27 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
On 04/06/2015 06:12 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
By adding Corporate Social Responsibility to the work of this working party we're expanding the scope far beyond human rights. Initially we have tried to make the scope smaller by only having a look at first generation human rights, and predominantly freedom of expression and the right to privacy and the impact ICANN has on them. CSR opens up the discussion on: The impact of a company on economic, environmental and social impacts caused by its everyday activities. These are a lot of different things, far beyond what was initially envisioned. Ranging from CO2 emisions, travel policy, transparency, renumeration, supply chain disclosure, I've been having a look at the best practices in CSR-land, and it is quite huge: https://www.globalreporting.org/
Yes, CSR is a VERY broad topic. One must scope it.
If we manage to produce a report provuides an analysis and recommendations based on the IHRB report [0] that Patrik mentioned is, would for me be a perfect outcome of our work, but I am curious if people think we should go further.
Patrik mentioned that he wanted to include topics of labor in this work, but that seems covered by the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights and are also addressed in the IHRB report.
No, I said we COULD do that.
I agree we must be scoped.
So I just want to make sure that our scope is wide enough to include everything we want to do, but narrow enough to keep it manageable.
Currently I am not 100% sure if we are discussing semantics, or issues we want to tackle, it seems we are discussing the difference between things that mean the same to me:
To me semantics.
Happy to hear this all. Let's work it out :)
1. CCWP on ICANN and Human Rights 2. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights 3. CCWP on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights
But I think that this has a far wider scope:
4. CCWP on Corporate Social Responsibility for ICANN
And this email made me want to check with you Patrik if we're talking about the same thing:
On 04/05/2015 04:42 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
I just do not want this to be a CCWG on Human Rights. It should be on ICANN CSR issues related to Human Rights.
And once again, if I am alone in being sensitive on this kind of wording, let me know. Then I rest my case ;-)
Looking forward to discuss!
So it is [3] above I am asking for, of your four alternatives.
But I understand the view of Bill that it might be viewed immediately as "ICANN as the corporation", so I can go with a name of the CCWG that is as [1].
I will have a look at the document you produced online Niels.
Once again, I am sensitive to "Human Rights" as I very strongly see Human Rights are agreements between states on what they MUST do and what they MUST NEVER do. Everyone else is acting in that context. For example by doing activities that forces States to change their behavior. Or by acting in a specific way just because States do misbehave (but one have to do things there anyway).
It might have been teachers I have had that hammered this possibly too drastic view into my brain...but there you are.
And still, I can view myself be in the minority here.
Patrik
Very happy to have your voice in this discussion Patrik (isn't human rights all about protecting minorities ;) ). Previously we noticed that as long as we were talking about Human Rights, people thought we were going to have ICANN as an advocacy organizations against torture. Adding 'ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights' made things much clearer for many people (and linked it very directly to the UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights). So great to be able to test what is the best language to describe what we want to do.
There are indeed different obligations for states (that should protect human rights) and for other actors (that should respect human rights), which is both a responsibility.
It's just that CSR has become quite something of a marketing term for a lot of different things, so I would be afraid that it would create more confusion than it would solve. But if you think the opposite, what would you think of:
5. CCWP on ICANNs Corporate Social Responsibility to respect Human Rights ?
I think it would help deciding on this before I go edit the document.
Finally, Bill: do you think the issue about 'corporate' is more of an issue in CSR than in CR ? Because this was not brought up at the discussion in Singapore even though the title of the session was ICANNs Corporate Responsibility to Respect Human Rights.
Looking forward to discuss.
Best,
Niels
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On 21 apr 2015, at 01:18, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted.
Hmm...we individuals agree on the text but for a CCWG formal approval is needed. It must be passed to the SO and ACs that want to be chartering organizations for formal approval. Is what you say you now will send it to the SOs and ACs for approval? Patrik
Dear Patrik, this is a CCWP. I do not know whether there is a formal method of asking the SO/ACs to ratify the charter of a CCWP, but I agree that it would make sense if they did and would support asking them. Kindest regards, Olivier On 21/04/2015 07:34, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 21 apr 2015, at 01:18, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted. Hmm...we individuals agree on the text but for a CCWG formal approval is needed. It must be passed to the SO and ACs that want to be chartering organizations for formal approval.
Is what you say you now will send it to the SOs and ACs for approval?
Patrik
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the advice Olivier and Patrik, will do so right away. Best, Niels Niels ten Oever Head of Digital Article 19 www.article19.org PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9 On 04/21/2015 01:26 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
Dear Patrik,
this is a CCWP. I do not know whether there is a formal method of asking the SO/ACs to ratify the charter of a CCWP, but I agree that it would make sense if they did and would support asking them. Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 21/04/2015 07:34, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 21 apr 2015, at 01:18, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted. Hmm...we individuals agree on the text but for a CCWG formal approval is needed. It must be passed to the SO and ACs that want to be chartering organizations for formal approval.
Is what you say you now will send it to the SOs and ACs for approval?
Patrik
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Thanks Olivier...I might got things upside down...too many things even for people like me :-P That said, I think this "by the drafting team accepted charter" explicitly should be sent to the SO/AC. For example, I have no idea whether SSAC officially would/will support this group, and/or how SSAC choose to interact with it. So at least I must get some time as chair of SSAC to deal with SSAC. That the group will now launch I think is clear (given you correcting me Olivier), we only do not know what formal support might might get. Do not pause or stop working just because of this! :-) Patrik
On 21 apr 2015, at 13:26, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear Patrik,
this is a CCWP. I do not know whether there is a formal method of asking the SO/ACs to ratify the charter of a CCWP, but I agree that it would make sense if they did and would support asking them. Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 21/04/2015 07:34, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 21 apr 2015, at 01:18, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted. Hmm...we individuals agree on the text but for a CCWG formal approval is needed. It must be passed to the SO and ACs that want to be chartering organizations for formal approval.
Is what you say you now will send it to the SOs and ACs for approval?
Patrik
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Hi, as Olivier reminded it, it is a cross-community working party. well yet another new specie of working setting within ICANN :) my understanding since Singapore session is to have something ad-hoc for the time-being, starting quickly the work with volunteers from different parts of ICANN , having the goals highlighted in the charter and then moving to more formal setting when SOs/ACs are ready e.g. post CWG work . however, we can inform the SOs/ACs about the charter, maybe also a tentative timeline, and keep them updated so they would be able to approve in due time and plan for the forthcoming workload. Best, Rafik 2015-04-22 4:07 GMT+09:00 Patrik Fältström <paf@netnod.se>:
Thanks Olivier...I might got things upside down...too many things even for people like me :-P
That said, I think this "by the drafting team accepted charter" explicitly should be sent to the SO/AC.
For example, I have no idea whether SSAC officially would/will support this group, and/or how SSAC choose to interact with it.
So at least I must get some time as chair of SSAC to deal with SSAC.
That the group will now launch I think is clear (given you correcting me Olivier), we only do not know what formal support might might get.
Do not pause or stop working just because of this! :-)
Patrik
On 21 apr 2015, at 13:26, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> wrote:
Dear Patrik,
this is a CCWP. I do not know whether there is a formal method of asking the SO/ACs to ratify the charter of a CCWP, but I agree that it would make sense if they did and would support asking them. Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 21/04/2015 07:34, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 21 apr 2015, at 01:18, Niels ten Oever <niels@article19.org> wrote:
With pleasure I can announce that the charter has been adopted. Hmm...we individuals agree on the text but for a CCWG formal approval
is needed. It must be passed to the SO and ACs that want to be chartering organizations for formal approval.
Is what you say you now will send it to the SOs and ACs for approval?
Patrik
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I share your concerns Bill, but my principle motivation in supporting Patrik's proposal amounts to the following: 1. the question I ask myself all the time, and not just in connection to my dissertation, is What does it take to get ICANN to change? And I think the hook of corporate responsibility, given that they refuse to really see themselves as a policy body, is possibly worth a try. Lets face it, anything is worth a try. 2. I think the important thing is to get started and prepare a work plan. The thing that needs scoping (ie to make sure we get it done) is the workplan. CSR does nothing to hinder that, as near as I can tell. 3. Folks are afraid of the term human rights. I think CSR leads us away from potential roadblocks. But you folks understand this crazy institution better than I do. I am still reeling from sitting through (ok, talking through) the last meeting of the group that is finding a better way to implement the WHOIS conflicts procedure. Utterly crazymaking. The same folks and staff, who have their fingers planted firmly in their ears, are likely to show up at this group. How does one get ready for that level of lunacy/obduracy? Stephanie PS Happy Easter/Passover weekend to all! On 2015-04-06 2:55, Patrik Fältström wrote:
On 6 apr 2015, at 08:29, William Drake <wjdrake@gmail.com> wrote:
NCSG recently sent a reply to the Board Risk Committee request for feedback on Top 5 ICANN enterprise risks saying that "The first, overarching risk is if staff and leadership think of ICANN as an corporation with 'enterprise risks' rather than a community-driven global governance mechanism with global public responsibilities and associated risks.” And here we’re saying that we think of ICANN as an corporation with enterprise social responsibilities, some of which relate to human rights. So I guess it’s sort of the same argument one would make for Caterpillar Tractor or Exxon, except that the ‘product’ is policy. I understand why CSR and the Ruggie principles appeal to people as an established ‘hook’ to say ICANN must pay attention, but somehow feel some vague discomfort with the ontological aspect. Being on my first coffee of the day and not being a specialist in HR law I don’t have a clear vision of what the full implications of taking this down the CSR road might be relative to other possible paths, but if you all are confident it’s optimal then okydoky. FWIW, I agree with you Bill that there is a risk here that the discussion focus too much on the enterprise thinking on risk when in reality it is important ICANN both take care of the enterprise risks (which is the responsibility of ICANN as the corporation leadership and staff) AND the risks ICANN as the community take in the development of policies and what not.
Specifically as, which I agree with, ICANN is more and more acting as a corporation and less as a community with a few strong PDPs that they host.
That said, I think we now do have something we all understand what we want. We just need to choose the correct words.
Patrik
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participants (10)
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Avri Doria -
Matthew Shears -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Niels ten Oever -
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond -
Patrik Fältström -
Rafik Dammak -
Stephanie Perrin -
William Drake -
zalnieriute .