Frank et al, I had a quick look at the online respect document & I really think it addresses valid issues it is a good guideline. Its good that we pursue debate and discussion with our strongest effort, but that does not mean we should then neglect our natural duty to discuss and debate with respect for others. Ive personally seen some of the ICANN lists that seem to be dominated by some who even call others in derogatory terms. That certainly is not respect & it cannot be justified under the guise of vigorous debate. ICANN may be a political platform, amongst other things, but it is fair to expect its delegates to show a certain level of respect towards each other. I really dont think being respectful to one another will harm discussion quality. Regards, Vika Mpisane .za Domain Name Authority Tel: +27 11 275 0082 _____ From: owner-ccnso-council@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-council@icann.org] On Behalf Of Frank Fowlie Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:22 PM To: carlos aguirre; At-Large Worldwide Cc: avri@acm.org; janis.karklins@icann.org; council@gnso.icann.org; ccnso-council@icann.org; louie@equinix.com; Chris Disspain; Charles A. (Chuck) Gomes; jun@wide.ad.jp; Steve Crocker; liaison6c@gnso.icann.org; policy@icann.org Subject: [ccnso-council] Re: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication and Behavior To Karl and Carlos, I don't believe that there is anything strange or naïve in the expectation that participants in an organization which represents a global community would conduct themselves at a level of discourse and behaviour that includes respectful communication. This is an international forum for debate and discussion, and while no one has the reasonable expectation of Platonic debate, neither do participants want to be involved in name calling and behaviours which more closely resemble a school yard at recess than an international cooperative effort. There is no proposal that any party not vigorously pursue the advocacy of their own position, only that they do so in a manner that is respectful of others. Dr. Frank Fowlie, DCR Ombudsman The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292 tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649 www.icannombudsman.org The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence. _____ From: carlos aguirre Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 06:56:42 -0700 To: At-Large Worldwide<at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication and Behavior Dear Karl: Yes, this document sounds to me some (at least) "naive". Specialy at this moment of ICANN history. When I decided reply this, for an instant I thought to say respectfully another strong word, but then I thought in the diversity and cultures and point of view different. In my oppinion we need to see the reality and say in a clear manner how is it. whatever being the words uses. greetings Carlos Dionisio Aguirre abogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar <http://www.sitioderecho.com.ar/> http://ar.ageiadensi.org <http://www.densi.com.ar/>
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 04:18:38 -0700 From: karl@cavebear.com To: at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: avri@acm.org; janis.karklins@icann.org; council@gnso.icann.org; ccnso-council@icann.org; louie@equinix.com; ceo@auda.org.au; cgomes@verisign.com; jun@wide.ad.jp; steve@shinkuro.com; frank.fowlie@icann.org; liaison6c@gnso.icann.org; policy@icann.org Subject: Re: [At-Large] Respectful Online Communication and Behavior
ICANN's Ombudsman, Frank Fowlie, recently posted a web page on Respectful Online Communication and Behavior
I must say that I found that to be a rather strange document.
It posits ICANN as some fantasy world in which disinterested philosophers discuss and debate.
That is in hard conflict with the reality of ICANN as a political cauldron in which deeply antagonistic interests contest with one another for power and profit.
Many actors within ICANN could be in violation of the ethical requirements of their professions were they to trim the sails of their advocacy on behalf of their clients to conform with that document.
--karl--
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