I agree with both Demi and Nigel. I submit we owe her our condolences on how this played out, if not an apology for what she’s been put through. But it has to be made clear to all that this came about because the NomCom, for whatever reason, chose to ignore the explicit advice given to them (at their request) in 2012 surrounding the appointment of councilors who were in any way associated with a ccTLD. As some of you may have read on DomainIncite, Tom Barrett, coming off a 2 year appointment to the NomCom, attempted to defend the NomCom’s action with respect to this appointment, citing a “lack of “Institutional Knowledge” on the part of the NomCom. His argument is that, “…this means if one of the groups that the NomCom nominates candidates for, has some specific advice for evaluation criteria, they would need to provide it anew every year...” In my view, this argument is BS. If “Institutional Knowledge” is not carried within the NomCom from year to year (and I can believe that it might not be), then it should certainly be the responsibility of the ICANN Staff assigned to shepherd the NomCom through its responsibilities to hold and convey to the new NomCom members that institutional knowledge. So perhaps at the end of the day we got to where we got with this unfortunate situation because ICANN staff failed to properly advise the NomCom; I will not assert this, but leave it to others to look into. What we do need to make clear however is that unlike milk, which comes in a carton with an expiry date on it, ccNSO Advice to the NomCom does not come in a carton, and does NOT have an expiry date on it. And we most certainly should not have to restate it on an annual basis to the NomCom. Best Regards, Stephen Deerhake CEO and Director of Registry Services AS Domain Registry GDNS, LLC sdeerhake@nic.as sdeerhake@gdns.net On 10/5/17, 18:46, "ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Demi Getschko" <ccnso-council-bounces@icann.org on behalf of demi@nic.br> wrote: Agree with Nigel. But, anyway, I'm not against an "elegant" gesture, even if not required. best demi On 05/10/2017 07:46, Nigel Roberts wrote: > I agree that *NomCom* owes her an apology. > > But I don't think the actions of the Chair, or any one on this Council > were incorrect or requiring a 'mea culpa' on our part. > > I think we are grateful to her for resolving the matter without > rancour and we would regret how it arose. > > > > > On 05/10/17 11:38, Katrina Sataki wrote: >> Hi Barrack, >> >> Absolutely agree with you. As it was stressed several times - under >> other circumstances we would be more than happy to welcome her to the >> Council as I am sure she would be a great Councillor. We are going to >> add this item to our agenda for the upcoming call. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> ]{arina >> >> *From: *Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Thursday, 5 October 2017 at 12:48 >> *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv> >> *Cc: *"ccnso-council@icann.org" <ccnso-council@icann.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [ccnso-council] FW: withdrawal as nomcom appointee >> >> Hi Katrina, >> >> Many thanks for the information. This is a positive step that gives >> us an opportunity to fix the process that led to this debacle. I also >> agree that Marita is a victim of circumstances and we owe her an >> apology as a community considering the bold step Marita has taken >> which demonstrates true leadership. >> >> This is my humble opinion and observation >> >> Best Regards >> >> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv >> <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>> wrote: >> >> FYI >> >> *From: *Marita Moll <mmoll@ca.inter.net <mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net>> >> *Date: *Wednesday, 4 October 2017 at 23:08 >> *To: *Katrina Sataki <katrina@nic.lv <mailto:katrina@nic.lv>>, >> "'hph@oslo.net <mailto:hph@oslo.net>'" <hph@oslo.net >> <mailto:hph@oslo.net>> >> *Cc: *"<steve.crocker@board.icann.org >> <mailto:steve.crocker@board.icann.org>>;'john.jeffrey@icann.org >> <mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org>'<john.jeffrey@icann.org >> <mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org>>; 'Steve Crocker' 'Joette >> Youkhanna'" <joette.youkhanna@icann.org >> <mailto:joette.youkhanna@icann.org>>, Herb Waye <herb.waye@icann.org >> <mailto:herb.waye@icann.org>> >> *Subject: *withdrawal as nomcom appointee >> >> VIA EMAIL >> >> October 4, 2017 >> >> To: Mr. Hans Petter Holen, Chair, ICANN Nominating Committee, Ms. >> Katrina Sataki, Chair, ccNSO >> >> CC: Steve Crocker, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors, John Jeffrey, >> ICANN Legal Council, Herb Waye, ICANN Ombudsman >> >> >> Dear Mr. Holen and Ms. Sataki: >> >> This is to inform you that, in order to close the chapter on this >> unfortunate affair, I am withdrawing as nomcom appointee on the >> ccNSO council. Although I have been advised that my selection is >> still in effect and there is nothing prohibiting me from taking this >> position, it would be far too difficult to establish a positive >> working relationship in the negative environment that has developed >> around my selection. This is regrettable as I think I have a lot to >> contribute to the work of ccNSO. However, I am withdrawing at this >> time so the nomcom can select another candidate before the Abu Dhabi >> meeting. >> >> I do want to take this opportunity to express my feelings about the >> events of the last few weeks. For a volunteer community-based >> participant in this still evolving multi-stakeholder model, this has >> been a difficult time. I believe in the model and I was offering to >> contribute a considerable amount of my personal time and resources >> to the effort. Suddenly I was caught in the cross-fire of a rapidly >> escalating dispute between the ccNSO and the nomcom. The furor which >> erupted around my selection apparently resulted from different >> understandings on candidate eligibility between these two parties. >> This confusion needs to be addressed before anyone else is caught in >> the middle of such a dispute. >> >> It is also unacceptable that I was not informed about the conflict >> for an entire month after my selection was announced, a full month >> in which not one person contacted me to explain the situation. It >> was not until a few days ago, on Sept. 29, that I received an e-mail >> from the ccNSO chair informing me about the letter sent to the >> nomcom denouncing my appointment. I was shocked. Before I had a >> chance to think about it, the letter in question rapidly circulated >> and, within a few days, a situation that could have been contained >> and resolved early on became a news story on the Internet. At this >> point I contacted ICANN Ombudsman Herb Waye and I am very grateful >> for his steady guidance in helping me work through this process. >> >> Finally, I hope both parties will agree that I am owed a full and >> public apology for the way this dispute was handled, allowing it to >> spiral out of control. I know it was never my fault, but it >> obviously affects me as I am the candidate in question. My standing >> inside and outside the ICANN community should not suffer from this >> internecine dispute in which, everyone agrees, I am an innocent >> party. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Marita Moll >> >> Sincerely >> >> Marita Moll >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ccnso-council mailing list >> Ccnso-council@icann.org <mailto:Ccnso-council@icann.org> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccnso-council >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Barrack O. 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