With all respect due, and keeping the dialogue open . . (a) Paulos is certainly able to express himself with eloquence if not clarity; I am sure that he would make explicit whatever needs to be made explicit. (b) in any event, however, are you really expecting any of us to have a clue about what might happen in three-and-a-half years' time? On 28/10/16 09:58, Mathieu Weill wrote:

Stephen,

With the utmost respect, your message appears to be based on the assumption that Paulos' question implied that he has an issue with Chris. That is turning a general question into a personal issue.

I wish we can keep this dialogue open, and welcome opinions from all sides by trying to fundamentally understand the concerns or points of view.

I wonder if, implicitly, Paulos question was not whether Chris would, after his third and last term as a ccNSO appointed Board member, seek another position within ICANN ? Through the NomCom for instance, or in another constituency ?

Best Mathieu

-----Message d'origine----- De : owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] De la part de Stephen Deerhake Envoyé : vendredi 28 octobre 2016 06:23 À : paulos@sdnp.org.mw; Chris Disspain Cc : ccNSO Council; ccNSO Members; ccTLD Community List; Joke Braeken Objet : RE: [ccnso-members] Re: Call for Nominations Director ICANN Board seat 11 closed

Greetings Paulos,

With great respect, whilst I sympathize with your lament in your second paragraph "...that a sizable number of leaders overstay their positions..." referencing the politics of your Continent, I do not see the relevance of that with respect to Chris Disspain being the presumptive nominee to another term as an ICANN Board member, representing the ccNSO Community.

I do not recall you raising this issue with respect to the last election of Mike Silber, which is a parallel circumstance.

I do not see how you can insinuate that Chris is "overstaying" his position. Under the ICANN Bylaws, he was eligible to seek an additional term on the Board. During the open nomination period, he was nominated by an independant party, and seconded by a third party. During the open nomination period, no other candidates were proposed nor seconded.

If you had concerns regarding Chris "overstaying" his position, your time to have taken action was during the open nomination period, and in proposing an alternate candidate for the Board 11 seat. You did not do this. Nor did anyone else.

What is your fundamental issue with Chris? It's evident from your fourth paragraph that you have one, so why not just take it up with him directly?

Lastly, I have to say that I am disappointed in the conspiratorial tone of your correspondence, and in particular, the last paragraph. My respect for you has not diminished despite this correspondence I felt compelled to reply to.

Regards,

Stephen Deerhake Director of Registry Services AS Domain Registry President & CEO GDNS, LLC +1 212 334 3660 +1 212 656 1982 (fax) sdeerhake@nic.as sdeerhake@gdns.net

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr Paulos Nyirenda Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:20 PM To: Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk> Cc: ccNSO Council <ccnso-council@icann.org>; ccNSO Members <ccnso-members@icann.org>; ccTLD Community List <ccTLDcommunity@cctld-managers.org>; Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org> Subject: [ccnso-members] Re: Call for Nominations Director ICANN Board seat 11 closed

Thank you Mathieu for starting this question session and thanks Chris and others for the initial answers. I also have a question or two that have been nagging me on this.

It is often observed in my region, Africa, and maybe less often in other regions as well, that a sizeable number of leaders overstay in their positions by taking advantage of the law or indeed by manipulating the law to stay in power for a period that appears oversize or beyond limits or beyond "normal"

Such leaders often claim to be liked or to be doing a good job based on the opinions of a few close friends who seem to be convincing the leader of this and who continue to nominate and/or promote such leaders for their own good as the power of the leader “brushes” on them. In such cases it takes considerable effort to effect positive change, with efforts in many cases turning bloody.

Unfortunately, in my observation, this ccNSO election to the Board in this case is similar to such cases, and it has been nagging me. So, unfortunately, your saying that you would resign if “a majority of the ccNSO members had lost confidence” does not bring relief to my nagging because it is the same as what such leaders say. I also guess that such concerns form the basis or reason some asked earlier if you would accept the Board seat nomination.

So my question is – when will it be enough for you Chris – so that you will say no even if nominated? I am aware that you do a good job at the Board for the ccNSO as others have already commented but that is not enough to overstay, overstaying sometimes suppresses those who could do just as good a job or even better. I am not saying this for me BUT I am sure the probability is one that there is someone out there who could do as well or better. This is the reason the participation issue was raised earlier by others on this issue.

Legalised term limits help but I guess the leaders, their lawyers or close friends already have answers for that in this case and in many cases like this of leaders that I have cited above. Apologies for the long e-mail but my question remains.

Regards,

Paulos ====================== Dr Paulos B Nyirenda NIC.MW & .mw ccTLD http://www.registrar.mw

On 27 Oct 2016 at 18:38, Chris Disspain wrote:

...

Hello Mathieu, All,

Thank you Mathieu for reaching out to ask these questions. I'm sorry that we will not be able to chat face to face in Hyderabad.

1. What would, in your opinion, be reasonable grounds for the ccNSO to initiate a process to remove a ccNSO appointed Board member ?

I think, in simple terms, if the Board member has lost the confidence of the majority

of the ccNSO

...

members (for whatever reason) then that would be reasonable grounds. That said, if I was the board member in whom a majority of the ccNSO members had lost confidence, I can assure you that I would resign without requiring the ccNSO to go through the Board member removal process under the new by-laws.

2. Are you going to run for the Chair position ? Will you, in case you are elected, consider that it changes any of your commitments to the ccNSO ?

Not this year. I cannot say what I will do next year because I do not, at this stage, know. However, if I were Chair then whilst it would mean a greater time commitment, I do not believe that it would in any way alter my commitments to the ccNSO.

3. What are your commitments to the ccNSO ?

I am as passionate as I have always been about the ccNSO and its role in the ICANN model including that it provides legitimacy to ICANN in a way that gTLDs cannot because of their contractual obligations. I am immensely proud of what the ccNSO has become and what it has done along the way. I have played a small part in some of those things (IDNs and the fast track being the one to which I am most emotionally attached) and am delighted to be able to continue my association. As a Board member I have striven and will continue to strive to maintain my connection with the ccNSO and ccTLD community. It is very easy to become detached because of the amount of time (especially during ICANN meetings) that the Board spends ‘in its own company' or in the company of other SOs and ACs. It is my intention to continue to work hard to ensure that this does not happen with me.

In practical terms my commitment is to ensure that the views of the ccNSO and the ccTLD community are, when required, vigorously advocated to the board and that whatever decision the Board may make on an issue that concerns ccTLDs, they have a crystal clear understanding of the views the ccTLD community and the likely consequences of any decision they make.

I hope this answers your questions. I will be happy to provide more information or answer further or supplementary questions.

Cheers,

Chris

On 27 Oct 2016, at 17:16, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill@afnic.fr> wrote:

Dear Colleagues, Dear Chris,

First of all congratulations for your nomination. ICANN will certainly benefit from your long-standing expertise of ICANN as well as your experience of the ccTLD manager position and, on the personal side, it will provide us many more opportunities to collaborate and… have drinks !

In advance of the Q&A session planned in Hyderabad (which I will only attend remotely), I would like to ask you some questions. The reason why I am asking these questions is that I hope we can use this exchange to strengthen the relationship between the ccNSO community and its representatives on the Board, especially in light of the recent “empowerment” of the community. I would appreciate a written response, so that our community can keep track of the associated elements.

So here are my questions :

1. What would, in your opinion, be reasonable grounds for the ccNSO to initiate a process to remove a ccNSO appointed Board member ? 2. Are you going to run for the Chair position ? Will you, in case you are elected, consider that it changes any of your commitments to the ccNSO ? 3. What are your commitments to the ccNSO ?

I am happy to elaborate if anything was unclear, and thank you again for your commitment.

Best Mathieu

De : cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org] De la part de Joke Braeken Envoyé : mercredi 19 octobre 2016 12:26 À : ccnso-council@icann.org ; ccnso-members@icann.org; ccTLDcommunity@cctld-managers.org Objet : Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Call for Nominations Director ICANN Board seat 11 closed

Dear All,

The Q&A session is scheduled on SUNDAY, 6 November, between 15:15 and 16:45 local time in Hall 5. (And not Monday, as mentioned in my previous email.) Apologies for the confusion.

Best regards,

Joke Braeken ccNSO Policy Advisor joke.braeken@icann.org

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From: Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org> Date: Wednesday 19 October 2016 at 12:14 To: "ccnso-council@icann.org " <ccnso-council@icann.org>, "ccnso-members@icann.org" <ccnso-members@icann.org>, "ccTLDcommunity@cctld-managers.org" <ccTLDcommunity@cctld-managers.org> Subject: Call for Nominations Director ICANN Board seat 11 closed

Dear All,

Yesterday, Tuesday 18 October 2016 23.59 UTC the call for nominations for a Director to the ICANN Board (seat 11) was closed, as per the announcement located on https://ccnso.icann.org/announcements/announcement-27sep16-en.htm

Chris Disspain, in accordance to the applicable rules, was nominated, seconded and has accepted his Nomination. All Nominations and Secondments can be found here: http://forum.icann.org/lists/ccnso-boardnominations

At the Q&A session in Hyderabad, there will be an opportunity for the ccTLD community to interact with Chris. The session is scheduled on Monday, 6 November, between 15:15 and 16:45 local time in Hall 5. See agenda ccNSO Members Days: https://ccnso.icann.org/meetings/hyderabad57/agenda.htm For remote participants: https://participate.icann.org/hyd57-hall5

Do not hesitate to contact me should you have questions.

Best regards,

Joke Braeken ccNSO Policy Advisor joke.braeken@icann.org

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