Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
I think this thread is illustrating a fundamental misunderstanding about the strategy panels role. There is a main session this afternoon on these panels. Please come along and learn more. Cheers, Chris Disspain
On 19 Nov 2013, at 0:15, "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> wrote:
Peter and Vika,
From the talk in the hallways and on social media, ccTLDs are not the only ones to note the absence of "internal stakeholders" on this Panel.
One cannot question the status and broad experience of the assembled panellists. Their individual and collective profiles will keep the panel, and ICANN, in the news. Niche media is already picking it up and conextualising the effort as part of the current global dialogue. http://www.cso.com.au/article/532097/icann_sets_up_coalition_address_new_i nternet_governance_challenges/ http://www.financialexpress.com/news/now-panel-to-address-future-of-global -internet-governance/1196351
But I agree that ICANN should not create separation between the stakeholders that attend and contribute to ICANN's "core business" at every meeting, and the figure-heads, leaders and personalities that drive ICANN's broader strategic direction.
I note that the announcement concludes "Additional members to be confirmed". Perhaps this is an opportunity.
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vika Mpisane Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013 11:51 PM To: ccnso-members@icann.org Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Good observation, Peter! There is a substantial presence of government or government-linked people, which in itself is not a bad thing, but I think there should have been an effort to balance participation & include an important stakeholder such as ccTLDs. Disney's presence is of course fascinating, but hopefully the person concerned is well experienced in internet issues.
Of course, Fadi is about inclusivity, but I agree with the view that it seems we may just have panels galore after having seen the recent strategy panels. Add to that the increasing ICANN regional personnel, and you'll see ICANN seems to be growing bigger and bigger and faster and faster (both in panel and personnel terms) - something that is not wrong by itself, but hopefully ICANN will realize that some things can be done with a need for additional panels.
Bearing in mind the alleged international Internet meeting that the Brazilian government wants to convene next year, it seems we may just more panels being set up.
Regards, Vika
On 2013/11/17 11:40 PM, "Peter Van Roste" <peter@centr.org> wrote:
Terrific. So, Disney is there, but there is no one on that panel from the ccTLD community? I suggest we discuss this at the earliest opportunity and put forward a ccTLD rep.
Regards, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity- bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: maandag 18 november 2013 3:10 To: ccnso-members@icann.org; cctldcommunity@cctld-managers.org Cc: 'ccnso-council@icann.org' Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Dear all,
ICANN has formed a "Panel on the Future of Global Internet Cooperation", comprised by stakeholders from diverse sectors, such as government, civil society, technical community and international organisations. The Panel plans to release a high-level report in early 2014 for public comment. The report will include principles for global Internet cooperation, proposed frameworks for such cooperation and a roadmap for future Internet governance challenges. Read more at http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/releases/release-17nov13-en
Kind regards,
Gabi
The concern is not so much about strategy panels as it is about the increasing number of panels. The role of strategy panels is clear (at least for me personally), as is the role of the additional panel on the Future of Global Internet Co-operation. Strategy panels are more inward-looking, while the new panel is more outward-looking. Nevertheless, they are both about strategic positioning of ICANN, and you just can't work on strategic positioning without being inward and outward-looking. So there will be an inevitable overlap between the strategy panels and the new panel, which then leaves me with an impression that there is somewhat of duplication between these panels. Paul, you're making a good observation, though, about the possibility of additional members in the new panel & its public facing role. I agree ICANN shouldn't separate between "internal" stakeholders & the figureheads. I think a balance between the 2 can help ICANN achieve more. Regards, Vika On 2013/11/18 10:55 AM, "Chris Disspain" <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote:
I think this thread is illustrating a fundamental misunderstanding about the strategy panels role. There is a main session this afternoon on these panels. Please come along and learn more.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain
On 19 Nov 2013, at 0:15, "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> wrote:
Peter and Vika,
From the talk in the hallways and on social media, ccTLDs are not the only ones to note the absence of "internal stakeholders" on this Panel.
One cannot question the status and broad experience of the assembled panellists. Their individual and collective profiles will keep the panel, and ICANN, in the news. Niche media is already picking it up and conextualising the effort as part of the current global dialogue.
http://www.cso.com.au/article/532097/icann_sets_up_coalition_address_new_ i nternet_governance_challenges/
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/now-panel-to-address-future-of-globa l -internet-governance/1196351
But I agree that ICANN should not create separation between the stakeholders that attend and contribute to ICANN's "core business" at every meeting, and the figure-heads, leaders and personalities that drive ICANN's broader strategic direction.
I note that the announcement concludes "Additional members to be confirmed". Perhaps this is an opportunity.
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vika Mpisane Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013 11:51 PM To: ccnso-members@icann.org Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Good observation, Peter! There is a substantial presence of government or government-linked people, which in itself is not a bad thing, but I think there should have been an effort to balance participation & include an important stakeholder such as ccTLDs. Disney's presence is of course fascinating, but hopefully the person concerned is well experienced in internet issues.
Of course, Fadi is about inclusivity, but I agree with the view that it seems we may just have panels galore after having seen the recent strategy panels. Add to that the increasing ICANN regional personnel, and you'll see ICANN seems to be growing bigger and bigger and faster and faster (both in panel and personnel terms) - something that is not wrong by itself, but hopefully ICANN will realize that some things can be done with a need for additional panels.
Bearing in mind the alleged international Internet meeting that the Brazilian government wants to convene next year, it seems we may just more panels being set up.
Regards, Vika
On 2013/11/17 11:40 PM, "Peter Van Roste" <peter@centr.org> wrote:
Terrific. So, Disney is there, but there is no one on that panel from the ccTLD community? I suggest we discuss this at the earliest opportunity and put forward a ccTLD rep.
Regards, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity- bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: maandag 18 november 2013 3:10 To: ccnso-members@icann.org; cctldcommunity@cctld-managers.org Cc: 'ccnso-council@icann.org' Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Dear all,
ICANN has formed a "Panel on the Future of Global Internet Cooperation", comprised by stakeholders from diverse sectors, such as government, civil society, technical community and international organisations. The Panel plans to release a high-level report in early 2014 for public comment. The report will include principles for global Internet cooperation, proposed frameworks for such cooperation and a roadmap for future Internet governance challenges. Read more at http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/releases/release-17nov13-en
Kind regards,
Gabi
The concern is not so much about strategy panels as it is about the increasing number of panels.
Vika, There were always going to be 5 panels. The roles of each panel were announced at the same time so I'm at a loss to understand why you refer to an 'increasing' number of panels. Cheers, Chris On 19/11/2013, at 01:25 , Vika Mpisane wrote:
The concern is not so much about strategy panels as it is about the increasing number of panels. The role of strategy panels is clear (at least for me personally), as is the role of the additional panel on the Future of Global Internet Co-operation. Strategy panels are more inward-looking, while the new panel is more outward-looking. Nevertheless, they are both about strategic positioning of ICANN, and you just can't work on strategic positioning without being inward and outward-looking. So there will be an inevitable overlap between the strategy panels and the new panel, which then leaves me with an impression that there is somewhat of duplication between these panels.
Paul, you're making a good observation, though, about the possibility of additional members in the new panel & its public facing role. I agree ICANN shouldn't separate between "internal" stakeholders & the figureheads. I think a balance between the 2 can help ICANN achieve more.
Regards, Vika
On 2013/11/18 10:55 AM, "Chris Disspain" <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote:
I think this thread is illustrating a fundamental misunderstanding about the strategy panels role. There is a main session this afternoon on these panels. Please come along and learn more.
Cheers,
Chris Disspain
On 19 Nov 2013, at 0:15, "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> wrote:
Peter and Vika,
From the talk in the hallways and on social media, ccTLDs are not the only ones to note the absence of "internal stakeholders" on this Panel.
One cannot question the status and broad experience of the assembled panellists. Their individual and collective profiles will keep the panel, and ICANN, in the news. Niche media is already picking it up and conextualising the effort as part of the current global dialogue.
http://www.cso.com.au/article/532097/icann_sets_up_coalition_address_new_ i nternet_governance_challenges/
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/now-panel-to-address-future-of-globa l -internet-governance/1196351
But I agree that ICANN should not create separation between the stakeholders that attend and contribute to ICANN's "core business" at every meeting, and the figure-heads, leaders and personalities that drive ICANN's broader strategic direction.
I note that the announcement concludes "Additional members to be confirmed". Perhaps this is an opportunity.
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vika Mpisane Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013 11:51 PM To: ccnso-members@icann.org Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Good observation, Peter! There is a substantial presence of government or government-linked people, which in itself is not a bad thing, but I think there should have been an effort to balance participation & include an important stakeholder such as ccTLDs. Disney's presence is of course fascinating, but hopefully the person concerned is well experienced in internet issues.
Of course, Fadi is about inclusivity, but I agree with the view that it seems we may just have panels galore after having seen the recent strategy panels. Add to that the increasing ICANN regional personnel, and you'll see ICANN seems to be growing bigger and bigger and faster and faster (both in panel and personnel terms) - something that is not wrong by itself, but hopefully ICANN will realize that some things can be done with a need for additional panels.
Bearing in mind the alleged international Internet meeting that the Brazilian government wants to convene next year, it seems we may just more panels being set up.
Regards, Vika
On 2013/11/17 11:40 PM, "Peter Van Roste" <peter@centr.org> wrote:
Terrific. So, Disney is there, but there is no one on that panel from the ccTLD community? I suggest we discuss this at the earliest opportunity and put forward a ccTLD rep.
Regards, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity- bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: maandag 18 november 2013 3:10 To: ccnso-members@icann.org; cctldcommunity@cctld-managers.org Cc: 'ccnso-council@icann.org' Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Dear all,
ICANN has formed a "Panel on the Future of Global Internet Cooperation", comprised by stakeholders from diverse sectors, such as government, civil society, technical community and international organisations. The Panel plans to release a high-level report in early 2014 for public comment. The report will include principles for global Internet cooperation, proposed frameworks for such cooperation and a roadmap for future Internet governance challenges. Read more at http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/releases/release-17nov13-en
Kind regards,
Gabi
On 2013/11/18 11:29 AM, "Chris Disspain" <ceo@auda.org.au> wrote:
The concern is not so much about strategy panels as it is about the increasing number of panels.
Vika,
There were always going to be 5 panels. The roles of each panel were announced at the same time so I'm at a loss to understand why you refer to an 'increasing' number of panels.
Ah point taken, Chris! You're right it's not necessarily a new panel. I'm left with a better feeling then. Regards, Vika
We are faced by an interesting challenge, balancing sovereignty, technical growth and development of the Internet as well as Internationalization in a mutating Internet eco-system, the new Strategy Panels are an interesting experiment, it would be interesting to see whether they will address emerging global challenges fuelled by a growth in the number and expectations of Internet users. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Chris Disspain Sent: 18 November 2013 16:55 To: Paul Szyndler Cc: Vika Mpisane; ccnso-members@icann.org; ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance I think this thread is illustrating a fundamental misunderstanding about the strategy panels role. There is a main session this afternoon on these panels. Please come along and learn more. Cheers, Chris Disspain
On 19 Nov 2013, at 0:15, "Paul Szyndler" <paul.szyndler@auda.org.au> wrote:
Peter and Vika,
From the talk in the hallways and on social media, ccTLDs are not the only ones to note the absence of "internal stakeholders" on this Panel.
One cannot question the status and broad experience of the assembled panellists. Their individual and collective profiles will keep the panel, and ICANN, in the news. Niche media is already picking it up and conextualising the effort as part of the current global dialogue. http://www.cso.com.au/article/532097/icann_sets_up_coalition_address_n ew_i nternet_governance_challenges/ http://www.financialexpress.com/news/now-panel-to-address-future-of-gl obal -internet-governance/1196351
But I agree that ICANN should not create separation between the stakeholders that attend and contribute to ICANN's "core business" at every meeting, and the figure-heads, leaders and personalities that drive ICANN's broader strategic direction.
I note that the announcement concludes "Additional members to be confirmed". Perhaps this is an opportunity.
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: owner-ccnso-members@icann.org [mailto:owner-ccnso-members@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vika Mpisane Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013 11:51 PM To: ccnso-members@icann.org Cc: ccnso-council@icann.org Subject: Re: [ccnso-members] RE: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Good observation, Peter! There is a substantial presence of government or government-linked people, which in itself is not a bad thing, but I think there should have been an effort to balance participation & include an important stakeholder such as ccTLDs. Disney's presence is of course fascinating, but hopefully the person concerned is well experienced in internet issues.
Of course, Fadi is about inclusivity, but I agree with the view that it seems we may just have panels galore after having seen the recent strategy panels. Add to that the increasing ICANN regional personnel, and you'll see ICANN seems to be growing bigger and bigger and faster and faster (both in panel and personnel terms) - something that is not wrong by itself, but hopefully ICANN will realize that some things can be done with a need for additional panels.
Bearing in mind the alleged international Internet meeting that the Brazilian government wants to convene next year, it seems we may just more panels being set up.
Regards, Vika
On 2013/11/17 11:40 PM, "Peter Van Roste" <peter@centr.org> wrote:
Terrific. So, Disney is there, but there is no one on that panel from the ccTLD community? I suggest we discuss this at the earliest opportunity and put forward a ccTLD rep.
Regards, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: cctldcommunity-bounces@cctld-managers.org [mailto:cctldcommunity- bounces@cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Gabriella Schittek Sent: maandag 18 november 2013 3:10 To: ccnso-members@icann.org; cctldcommunity@cctld-managers.org Cc: 'ccnso-council@icann.org' Subject: [ccTLDcommunity] Panel on Future Internet Governance
Dear all,
ICANN has formed a "Panel on the Future of Global Internet Cooperation", comprised by stakeholders from diverse sectors, such as government, civil society, technical community and international organisations. The Panel plans to release a high-level report in early 2014 for public comment. The report will include principles for global Internet cooperation, proposed frameworks for such cooperation and a roadmap for future Internet governance challenges. Read more at http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/releases/release-17nov13-en
Kind regards,
Gabi
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