Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Dear Beth Happy new year 2026! Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break! We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> wrote:
Hello, I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started.
We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started!
Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes. Best, Beth
*Elizabeth Bacon* *| Chair, RySG*
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*Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM*
beth <beth@pir.org>@pir.org <beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org | *Power your inspiration. Connect your world.*
Dear Beth, First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026! Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week. In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch). Goals of the session are * First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, * Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. * How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward. From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects. Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective, Kind. Regards, Bart From: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM To: Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> Cc: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Dear Beth Happy new year 2026! Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break! We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org<mailto:bbacon@pir.org>> wrote: Hello, I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started. We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started! Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes. Best, Beth Elizabeth Bacon | Chair, RySG [Logo][thenew.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.thenew.org/__;!!PtGJab4!_7CNav2X2Bl3G...> Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM beth<mailto:beth@pir.org>@pir.org<mailto:beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org | Power your inspiration. Connect your world.
Hi Bart, I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse. Have a great day! Sue On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Beth,
First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026!
Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week.
In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch).
Goals of the session are
- First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, - Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. - How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward.
From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects.
Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective,
Kind. Regards,
Bart
*From: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM *To: *Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> *Cc: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Bart Boswinkel < bart.boswinkel@icann.org>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Dear Beth
Happy new year 2026!
Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break!
We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information.
Best regards,
Alejandra
******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. *******************************************
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started.
We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started!
Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes.
Best,
Beth
*Elizabeth Bacon* *| Chair, RySG*
[image: Logo][thenew.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.thenew.org/__;!!PtGJab4!_7CNav2X2Bl3G...>
*Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM*
beth <beth@pir.org>@pir.org <beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org | *Power your inspiration. Connect your world.*
-- Sincerely, Sue Schuler RySG Secretariat
Hi Sue, all, Do you think the full CPH needs to attend the community outreach session on DNS Abuse? The ccNSO-RySG proposed session is on same theme. If some of the members of the RySG DNS Abuse Group could participate in the ccNSO session. I think goals of both the CPH outreach and ccNSO/RySG session will be achieved. Kind regards, Bart From: Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 4:44 PM To: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> Cc: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Hi Bart, I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse. Have a great day! Sue On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org<mailto:bart.boswinkel@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Beth, First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026! Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week. In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch). Goals of the session are * First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, * Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. * How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward. From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects. Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective, Kind. Regards, Bart From: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM To: Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org<mailto:bbacon@pir.org>> Cc: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info<mailto:secretariat@rysg.info>>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info<mailto:datasec@rysg.info>>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org<mailto:bart.boswinkel@icann.org>>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk<mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-leadership@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Dear Beth Happy new year 2026! Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break! We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org<mailto:bbacon@pir.org>> wrote: Hello, I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started. We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started! Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes. Best, Beth Elizabeth Bacon | Chair, RySG [Logo][thenew.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.thenew.org/__;!!PtGJab4!_7CNav2X2Bl3G...> Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM beth<mailto:beth@pir.org>@pir.org<mailto:beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org [thenew.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.thenew.org__;!!PtGJab4!9QbHlYd3exdzriI...> | Power your inspiration. Connect your world. -- Sincerely, Sue Schuler RySG Secretariat
Hi Sue, Let me try to close the loop on the session you penciled in for Sunday at 9 am, the meeting between the RySG and ccNSO. First, it was not clear who from the ccNSO the RySG would like to meet: ccNSO Council leadership (3-5 people), Council (14-18 people) or membership attending ICANN85(over 100 people). Leadership is easiest, and this could be done probably but also as a call prior to ICANN85. Council is more difficult, as some will arrive Sunday or have to attend other meetings. As to membership, this was reason to propose the joint session in the ccNSO room, which will have enough capacity. Second, as Claudia may have told you, the Saturdays and Sundays are packed with working group meetings. I assume leadership and some Council members will be available, but some may prioritize ccNSO working group/Committee meetings. As EMS closes shortly, and the number of available rooms on Sunday is limited, I suggest that we try to organize leaderships call prior to ICANN85, maybe including leadership of the respective DNS groups as well. Kind regards, Bart From: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> Date: Friday, January 16, 2026 at 10:28 AM To: Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> Cc: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Hi Sue, all, Do you think the full CPH needs to attend the community outreach session on DNS Abuse? The ccNSO-RySG proposed session is on same theme. If some of the members of the RySG DNS Abuse Group could participate in the ccNSO session. I think goals of both the CPH outreach and ccNSO/RySG session will be achieved. Kind regards, Bart From: Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 4:44 PM To: Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> Cc: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Hi Bart, I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse. Have a great day! Sue On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org<mailto:bart.boswinkel@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Beth, First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026! Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week. In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch). Goals of the session are * First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, * Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. * How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward. From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects. Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective, Kind. Regards, Bart From: Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com<mailto:alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM To: Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org<mailto:bbacon@pir.org>> Cc: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info<mailto:secretariat@rysg.info>>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info<mailto:datasec@rysg.info>>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org<mailto:bart.boswinkel@icann.org>>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk<mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org<mailto:ccnso-leadership@icann.org>> Subject: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation Dear Beth Happy new year 2026! Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break! We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org<mailto:bbacon@pir.org>> wrote: Hello, I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started. We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started! Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes. Best, Beth Elizabeth Bacon | Chair, RySG [Logo][thenew.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.thenew.org/__;!!PtGJab4!_7CNav2X2Bl3G...> Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM beth<mailto:beth@pir.org>@pir.org<mailto:beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org [thenew.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.thenew.org__;!!PtGJab4!9QbHlYd3exdzriI...> | Power your inspiration. Connect your world. -- Sincerely, Sue Schuler RySG Secretariat
Hi Bart, Since we hadn't settled on a meeting time and day, and my deadline for submission was at the end of December........I submitted what worked on our calendar knowing that we may need to move it. I didn't want to have the same thing happen from the last meeting where nothing ever ended up on the calendar. Today is the final day for changing spots. We can always cancel something after this, but we can't add or move. The idea of this meeting was to continue the collaboration between our groups.........not only on DNS Abuse, but on other topics of interest to both. It would be great if we could have your leadership and also your working group leaders if you think it is too much for a full membership meeting on Sunday. Let me know if that would work. Thanks for your help. Sue On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 9:02 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Sue,
Let me try to close the loop on the session you penciled in for Sunday at 9 am, the meeting between the RySG and ccNSO.
First, it was not clear who from the ccNSO the RySG would like to meet: ccNSO Council leadership (3-5 people), Council (14-18 people) or membership attending ICANN85(over 100 people). Leadership is easiest, and this could be done probably but also as a call prior to ICANN85. Council is more difficult, as some will arrive Sunday or have to attend other meetings. As to membership, this was reason to propose the joint session in the ccNSO room, which will have enough capacity.
Second, as Claudia may have told you, the Saturdays and Sundays are packed with working group meetings. I assume leadership and some Council members will be available, but some may prioritize ccNSO working group/Committee meetings.
As EMS closes shortly, and the number of available rooms on Sunday is limited, I suggest that we try to organize leaderships call prior to ICANN85, maybe including leadership of the respective DNS groups as well.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2026 at 10:28 AM *To: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Sue, all,
Do you think the full CPH needs to attend the community outreach session on DNS Abuse? The ccNSO-RySG proposed session is on same theme. If some of the members of the RySG DNS Abuse Group could participate in the ccNSO session. I think goals of both the CPH outreach and ccNSO/RySG session will be achieved.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 4:44 PM *To: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Bart,
I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse.
Have a great day!
Sue
On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Beth,
First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026!
Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week.
In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch).
Goals of the session are
- First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, - Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. - How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward.
From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects.
Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective,
Kind. Regards,
Bart
*From: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM *To: *Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> *Cc: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Bart Boswinkel < bart.boswinkel@icann.org>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Dear Beth
Happy new year 2026!
Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break!
We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information.
Best regards,
Alejandra
******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. *******************************************
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started.
We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started!
Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes.
Best,
Beth
*Elizabeth Bacon* *| Chair, RySG*
[image: Logo][thenew.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.thenew.org/__;!!PtGJab4!_7CNav2X2Bl3G...>
*Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM*
beth <beth@pir.org>@pir.org <beth@pir.org> | +1 484.354.1936 | www.thenew.org [thenew.org] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.thenew.org__;!!PtGJab4!9QbHlYd3exdzriI...> | *Power your inspiration. Connect your world.*
--
Sincerely,
Sue Schuler
RySG Secretariat
-- Sincerely, Sue Schuler RySG Secretariat
Thank you Chris. I agree that we need to ground the coordination of leadership calls and joint membership sessions. We have mentioned this in the past, but haven't been good at keeping track of it. Hopefully the RySG leadership agrees for a zoom call and we can establish this there. I have the feeling that having a joint membership session in the Policy Forum (shortest ICANN meeting) is not ideal. Maybe it should be either at the Community Forum or the AGM. We could even agree on always having the Wednesday block after lunch reserved for this purpose, pending confirmation, to avoid scheduling conflicts. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 9:39 PM Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital> wrote:
Clipping list to just cc folks
All,
1. I do think it would be really useful to have this meeting if at all possible with leadership and dns abuse folks.
2. Could we also perhaps set up a call to agree cadence and audience going forward? My suggestion would be that RySG and ccNSO each has a small group of volunteers that meet at each meeting and set up a joint ‘everyone’ meeting once a year.
Cheers,
CD
On 17 Jan 2026, at 04:35, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> wrote:
Hi Bart,
Since we hadn't settled on a meeting time and day, and my deadline for submission was at the end of December........I submitted what worked on our calendar knowing that we may need to move it. I didn't want to have the same thing happen from the last meeting where nothing ever ended up on the calendar. Today is the final day for changing spots. We can always cancel something after this, but we can't add or move.
The idea of this meeting was to continue the collaboration between our groups.........not only on DNS Abuse, but on other topics of interest to both. It would be great if we could have your leadership and also your working group leaders if you think it is too much for a full membership meeting on Sunday. Let me know if that would work.
Thanks for your help.
Sue
On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 9:02 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Sue,
Let me try to close the loop on the session you penciled in for Sunday at 9 am, the meeting between the RySG and ccNSO.
First, it was not clear who from the ccNSO the RySG would like to meet: ccNSO Council leadership (3-5 people), Council (14-18 people) or membership attending ICANN85(over 100 people). Leadership is easiest, and this could be done probably but also as a call prior to ICANN85. Council is more difficult, as some will arrive Sunday or have to attend other meetings. As to membership, this was reason to propose the joint session in the ccNSO room, which will have enough capacity.
Second, as Claudia may have told you, the Saturdays and Sundays are packed with working group meetings. I assume leadership and some Council members will be available, but some may prioritize ccNSO working group/Committee meetings.
As EMS closes shortly, and the number of available rooms on Sunday is limited, I suggest that we try to organize leaderships call prior to ICANN85, maybe including leadership of the respective DNS groups as well.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2026 at 10:28 AM *To: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Sue, all,
Do you think the full CPH needs to attend the community outreach session on DNS Abuse? The ccNSO-RySG proposed session is on same theme. If some of the members of the RySG DNS Abuse Group could participate in the ccNSO session. I think goals of both the CPH outreach and ccNSO/RySG session will be achieved.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 4:44 PM *To: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Bart,
I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse.
Have a great day!
Sue
On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Beth,
First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026!
Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week.
In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch).
Goals of the session are
- First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, - Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. - How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward.
From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects.
Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective,
Kind. Regards,
Bart
*From: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM *To: *Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> *Cc: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Bart Boswinkel < bart.boswinkel@icann.org>, Nick Wenban-Smith < Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership < ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Dear Beth
Happy new year 2026!
Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break!
We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information.
Best regards,
Alejandra
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started.
We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started!
Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes.
Best,
Beth
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Dear Sue and All My sincere apologies for not having replied sooner to the original message. We got caught up with many activities that needed to be finished before the holiday break and this one slipped from our minds. Regarding the DNS Abuse topic, I really hope some members of the CPH outreach can join us on Wednesday block 3. As Bart mentioned, the ccNSO Council will finalize its discussion about participation in the related PDPs this week and this session could be a great opportunity for outreach. As for the continued collaboration meeting, can we consider a leadership zoom call before or right after Mumbai? With the aim to plan a full membership session either in Seville or Oman. Best regards, Alejandra ******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. ******************************************* On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 6:35 PM Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> wrote:
Hi Bart,
Since we hadn't settled on a meeting time and day, and my deadline for submission was at the end of December........I submitted what worked on our calendar knowing that we may need to move it. I didn't want to have the same thing happen from the last meeting where nothing ever ended up on the calendar. Today is the final day for changing spots. We can always cancel something after this, but we can't add or move.
The idea of this meeting was to continue the collaboration between our groups.........not only on DNS Abuse, but on other topics of interest to both. It would be great if we could have your leadership and also your working group leaders if you think it is too much for a full membership meeting on Sunday. Let me know if that would work.
Thanks for your help.
Sue
On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 9:02 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Sue,
Let me try to close the loop on the session you penciled in for Sunday at 9 am, the meeting between the RySG and ccNSO.
First, it was not clear who from the ccNSO the RySG would like to meet: ccNSO Council leadership (3-5 people), Council (14-18 people) or membership attending ICANN85(over 100 people). Leadership is easiest, and this could be done probably but also as a call prior to ICANN85. Council is more difficult, as some will arrive Sunday or have to attend other meetings. As to membership, this was reason to propose the joint session in the ccNSO room, which will have enough capacity.
Second, as Claudia may have told you, the Saturdays and Sundays are packed with working group meetings. I assume leadership and some Council members will be available, but some may prioritize ccNSO working group/Committee meetings.
As EMS closes shortly, and the number of available rooms on Sunday is limited, I suggest that we try to organize leaderships call prior to ICANN85, maybe including leadership of the respective DNS groups as well.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Date: *Friday, January 16, 2026 at 10:28 AM *To: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Sue, all,
Do you think the full CPH needs to attend the community outreach session on DNS Abuse? The ccNSO-RySG proposed session is on same theme. If some of the members of the RySG DNS Abuse Group could participate in the ccNSO session. I think goals of both the CPH outreach and ccNSO/RySG session will be achieved.
Kind regards,
Bart
*From: *Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 4:44 PM *To: *Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> *Cc: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org>, Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Nikki Schuler < datasec@rysg.info>, Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership <ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Hi Bart,
I reached out to Claudia when we were requesting sessions for ICANN 84, and I requested a session with the RySG and ccNSO on Sunday at 9 am. We still have time to move that session if that will not work on your end, but the Wednesday slot right after lunch is where the CPH is holding their community outreach session on DNS Abuse.
Have a great day!
Sue
On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 9:54 AM Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Beth,
First following Alejandra’s lead (although belated): Best for 2026!
Following your email the ccNSO Council and DASC (ccNSO DNS Abuse group) started an extensive discussion if and how to participate in the upcoming DNS Abuse PDPs. The Council will finalize discussions next week.
In parallel with these discussions, the ccNSO started looking at a way to engage the broader ccTLD community in the discussion around the PDPs and expand the relation with the RySG. The suggestion is to have a joint RySG – ccNSO session on Wednesday block 3 (directly after lunch).
Goals of the session are
- First, explain to the PDP, topics and why ccNSO participates and how, - Discuss the topics more in depth and ask ccTLD and gTLD to share experiences and get a sense of the room how important it the issues are for them and if and how they already deal with the issues. - How ccTLDs and gTLDs could share their experience going forward.
From a cc perspective the session will be interesting because of potential future spill-over effects.
Please let this group know if such a session would work from your perspective,
Kind. Regards,
Bart
*From: *Alejandra Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso@gmail.com> *Date: *Thursday, January 15, 2026 at 2:56 PM *To: *Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> *Cc: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain@identity.digital>, Sue Schuler <secretariat@rysg.info>, Nikki Schuler <datasec@rysg.info>, Bart Boswinkel < bart.boswinkel@icann.org>, Nick Wenban-Smith < Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>, ccNSO Leadership < ccnso-leadership@icann.org> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: DNS Abuse PDP Cooperation
Dear Beth
Happy new year 2026!
Sorry for the late reply, I hope you had a great holiday break!
We have been looking at your proposal and soon Bart will reach out with more information.
Best regards,
Alejandra
******************************************* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. And live like it's Heaven on Earth. *******************************************
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 6:03 PM Elizabeth Bacon <bbacon@pir.org> wrote:
Hello,
I hope your travel home from ICANN was smooth. After our discussions at ICANN, I wanted to follow up to try to establish a plan for collaboration between our groups on the DNS Abuse PDPs. Soon Council will have an updated Issues Report and Charter that reflects the Public Comments. It would be great to have some collaboration set up as those discussions get started.
We are happy to set up a dedicated email list as well as meetings with our RySG DNS Abuse Working Group (and hopefully the joint CPH DNS Abuse Group) and your dedicated DNS Abuse Working Groups or teams. Please let us know what will work best for you and your group and we’ll get started!
Looking forward to working together throughout the PDP processes.
Best,
Beth
*Elizabeth Bacon* *| Chair, RySG*
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*Senior Director, Policy and Privacy, CIPP/E, CIPM*
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Sincerely,
Sue Schuler
RySG Secretariat
-- Sincerely,
Sue Schuler RySG Secretariat
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