Hi Daniel I understand DNS will include DNS industry too. Is the overall system and community. I see no limit for DNS - whole ICANN is under "DNS concept" Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. On 8/10/17, 05:55, "ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org on behalf of Daniel Dardailler" <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces@icann.org on behalf of danield@w3.org> wrote:
Hello Erika, all
to me, Open Internet refers to the capacity for anyone to connect to the network with an expected quality of service (that would cover things like shutdown, net neutrality) but also to innovate on top of it (requiring open interfaces).
Connecting is important but connecting to a closed system, like AOL in the past, even if everyone can connect, is not good enough. Anyone should be able to build new applications, add content, create new logical layers, in an open way, that is, without asking permission. That's why Open Standards are paramount.
Without an Open TCP/IP stack, as delivered by IETF, no Open Web stack could have flourished. And without the Open Web, no DNS growth.
We can't limit our funding to just the DNS layer, as it stands directly on other Open layers (IP, http) that are required to function properly (and evolve properly) for the DNS to succeed.
Even though one could argue that the openness of the physical layer underlying the IP/Web/DNS layers (DSL, Fiber, Wifi, 5G, etc, done by IEEE, ITU) is as important, I think we need to limit our funding objectives to Internet middleware, that is, standards and code portable across physical network architecture.
On the other side of the scale, there are several Open platforms or applications that use DNS, Web and IP to provide reasons for people to connect: wikipedia, open search, open social networking, linked data crowdsourcing, etc., and even though I would personally like to fund these kinds of projects, since they constitute (along with Open standards) the Commons of the Internet, I doubt this will pass the bar of the ICANN mission alignment.
So to summarize, Open Internet, as far as this CCWG is concerned is IMO: - Not inclusive of the physical layer (however open is can be, too far from ICANN mission, and not clear it needs funding) - Inclusive of the transport and presentation layer (TCP/IP, Web, directly linked to DNS operations, and needs funding) - Inclusive of the addressing layer (IPv6, DNS, it's ICANN core activities, so not clear to me it needs funding since ICANN already has a healthy budget without the auctions. Isn't DNS capacity building part of ICANN responsibilities already ?) - Not inclusive of the app/platform/content layer (too far from ICANN mission, although it needs funding too) - Inclusive of the policy layer (shutdown, net neutrality, etc., even though I agree with others that these are very sensitive topics that would position ICANN on a difficult path vs. some of its constituencies, e.g. the GAC, or telco/DNS players).
On 2017-08-10 08:10, Erika Mann wrote:
Concerning: OPEN INTERNET
See below an exchange I had with Marika concerning this topic.
Our exchange might help to clarify few points ahead of our call today.
Talk to you later, Erika
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FROM: Erika Mann <erika@erikamann.com> DATE: August 7, 2017 at 8:40:48 AM GMT+2 TO: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> CC: Ching Chiao <chiao@brandma.co>, Joke Braeken <joke.braeken@icann.org>, "gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org> SUBJECT: RE: FOR YOUR REVIEW - OBJECTIVES & EXAMPLES MIND MAP AND AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK'S MEETING
Good morning Marika - I added few more points below. I copied my original reply and simply added few recommendation how to deal with the 'open Internet' definition part.
I hope this helps.
Best, Erika
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:
Hi Erika, Ching,
Following last week’s meeting, please find attached a first attempt to roll up the top ranked objectives into an overall objective with identified priorities (following the lines of my suggestion last week). In addition, I’ve pulled out the examples from the survey that contained the most details and as such will be easier to review for consistency with the ICANN mission as well as objective(s) (once agreed).
As identified during the call, the
concept of “Open Internet” will require definitional work or a rewording. Having done a google search, the term often seems associated with net neutrality which may not be what the CCWG has in mind. As such, the CCWG will need to decide whether to stick with the term and provide a definition or whether it prefers to describe what is intended with the term Open Internet. Although the other objectives have been excluded as specific priorities, one could envision how projects that may focus on some of those areas could also fit within the currently identified priorities. As also discussed, the topic of replenishing the reserve fund will need to be considered separately. It is up to you to decide whether that is a discussion you want to have now or to park for later.
EM = Just a quick word of caution. You find in Google always more those connections that are currently more researched and not those that reflect upon a broader and more precise context. Net neutrality is currently hotly debated in the US and the term open Internet is often used to describe that telcos shall not be allowed to give preferential access to certain players. There are other environments that are closer to ICANN (open Internet and open source for example) that might present some good examples for investment opportunities, for example in the DNS and security environment (Ash could talk about this). We therefore need some examples for our environment. (copied from the email I send to you already)
What to do?
1) definition of 'open Internet' in relation to ICANN's mission and in relation to the work of the future fund could/should have various dimensions:
* historical preamble: The DNS serves from it's early days an open Internet in the sense ... * positive definition: The 'fund' shall be able to support projects that support an open Internet culture in the sense that projects related to open source developments for the DNS are (for example) allowed to apply ... * negative definition: The 'fund' shall not support projects that don't relate in any way to ICANN's mission and the development of the DNS * examples: lastly provide few examples about what is meant (DNS software and security for example) to guide future project examiners
I’ll be out on vacation until 11 August, but will have
intermittent access
to email so I will be able to include any edits / suggestions you may have. My suggestion would be that you provide your feedback by Thursday 3 August at the latest so this can be sent to the CCWG by Friday at the latest so there is sufficient time for review and feedback prior to next week’s meeting.
With regards to the agenda for next week’s meeting, it appears pretty straightforward:
Roll Call Welcome – DOI Overview from Xavier Calvez on investment management Review responses to charter question #4 and discuss next steps (see https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-6GNDQHJ6/) Review redrafted objectives and examples (see mind map attached) Confirm next steps & next meeting (next CCWG-AP meeting is scheduled for Thursday 24 August at 16.00 UTC)
Please let us know if you agree. If so, we’ll go ahead and cancel our prep call. Joke will take care of getting this out to the CCWG early next week.
Looking forward to receiving your feedback.
Best regards,
Marika
Marika Konings
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