Tom, Tim I certainly have sympathy for trying to be clear on language ! Of course we can strike out the entire section of working groups but that seems a pity if we are all close to agreement and just need to get the words right. Forget the wording of the paper for the moment are you saying Tom and Tim that: a) you support ONLY working groups OR (like the BGC) b) you support mostly working groups for big PDPs but want flexibility for other types of group OR (Council's current wording) c) you want full flexibility for WGS, TFs etc with no special preference for one over the other - its best to decide per issue (more flexible than Council's current wording). It would be helpful to know which of these 3 options are yours (or if I have missed an option). Philip