Allow me to add my thoughts to the agenda planning issue for our physical meetings. Assumptions and constraints I start upon the premise that the Vancouver planning was NOT optimal. Council members were required to be there for an extended period yet there were days in between with less important meetings. An extended ICANN meeting causes resource problems for Council members - in time and cost. If there is to be an extension beyond the historic 3-4 days, Council members need to justify that to themselves and to their organisations. An ideal programme {DAY 0 - optional} AM Council pre-meeting PM Council pre-meeting with Board DAY 1 GNSO Constituency Day DAY 2 GNSO Council public forum + GNSO Council DAY 3 Board Public Forum DAY 4 Board This is the core. All other meetings such as Council task forces, informational workshops, liaison meetings should take secondary importance and most should be in parallel sessions within these 5 days. Next steps 1. Can we as a Council agree (or otherwise) to this (or an amended) ideal so that we can communicate clear guidelines to planning organisers? 2. We also need to agree on the Council representation for meeting planning for Wellington. Philip