Re: [council] Fwd: GA

Yes, I agree. My note was simply meant to point at the procedural 
difficulties associated with accepting a request from a branch of the 
organization that does not exist.

My personal point of view has long been that it is the constituency 
sub-structure and Council that should be dissolved and replaced with an 
open assembly that could allow stakeholders to self-form interest groups 
and come together to explore consensus on a policy by policy issue. The 
current structure is far to rigid and unrepresentative to be of much 
serious use to anyone.

Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> Ross,
> 
> I understand your point from a literal point of view with regard to the
> GA organization but I would suggest that there is a group of people who
> participate on the GA list that do exist and are stakeholders in gTLDs.
> I believe any group of stakeholders may submit a request to the GNSO.
> That said though, I do agree with you that it would be wise to consider
> the request in the overall context of GNSO reform that will likely occur
> in the near future.
> 
> Chuck Gomes
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org 
>> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Ross Rader
>> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:23 AM
>> To: Avri Doria
>> Cc: GNSO Council
>> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: GA
>>
>> Avri -
>>
>> One small point of clarification - there is no General 
>> Assembly (GA) of the GNSO. There is only a mailing list that 
>> was used by the former GA of the DNSO which was not shut down 
>> when the DNSO was reformed into the GNSO (at which time the 
>> General Assembly was eliminated/not carried forward).
>>
>> Procedurally speaking, there cannot be a request from the GA 
>> because it does not exist. If there is a case to be made to 
>> recreate the former GA as part of the GNSO, it should be made 
>> as part of the GNSO reform discussion and not considered in isolation.
>>
>> Avri Doria wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell, we all received a copy of this email 
>> from the GA 
>>> chair.  Even so, given the council's responsibility for the 
>> GA list, I 
>>> wanted to send it to the list so that it would be included 
>> in our archives.
>>> As an initial approach, I would like to do the following 
>> with regard 
>>> to the GA charter (found at 
>> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm):
>>> - Acknowledge the GA request for consideration of their charter.
>>> - Given the council's by-law responsibilities for the moderation of 
>>> the GA list, encourage them in taking steps to bring order and 
>>> discipline to the GA list and indicate that they have the council's 
>>> support in implementing the mailing list rules indicated in 
>> Section 2, 
>>> 3, 4, 5, and
>>> 7 with the following exception in section 2:
>>>
>>>> The Announce list is available for official pronouncements only. 
>>>> Emanating from the Secretariat of the NC and/or the Chair of the GA
>>>>
>>> In this case, the GA-announce list is solely for the use of 
>> the GNSO 
>>> Secretariat for notifying the GA subscribers of GNSO and 
>> other ICANN 
>>> informational items.  I do not recommend we make any change at this 
>>> time in this list's status.
>>>
>>> - With regard to the organizational sections of the charter, 
>>> specifically 6, 8, and 9, indicate that the GA is free to determine 
>>> its own organizational structure, with the following exceptions in 
>>> section 8 on elections:
>>>
>>>>  An election is usually held near the end of the term of 
>> office for 
>>>> the chair of the General Assembly. The exact time is 
>> decided by the 
>>>> outgoing Chair and the Chair of the GNSO.
>>>> Nominees for the Chair are sent to an email address 
>> provided by the 
>>>> Secretariat.
>>> - With regards to the exceptions listed above, as I read them, they 
>>> require activity by the council, its chair and secretariat that are 
>>> not specifically mandated by the by-laws.  Since the 
>> by-laws governing 
>>> the GNSO and its governance structure are currently under review by 
>>> the ICANN Board and its Governance WG, I recommend that we postpone 
>>> any discussion of these issues until after the GSNO council's new 
>>> governance situation is settled and understood.
>>>
>>> I should also point out that there was an earlier request that the 
>>> GNSO council create another public discussion list, similar 
>> to the GA 
>>> list but limited to members of existing GNSO constituencies.  The 
>>> request was independently submitted by a member of one GNSO 
>>> constituency, but was not backed up by that constituency at 
>> that time, 
>>> so I did not take it further.  I am bringing it up now for 
>> completeness sake.
>>> I suggest that we try and resolve the issue of my response 
>> to the GA 
>>> request over the email list.  If there is need I will list 
>> this item 
>>> under AOB in the next agenda, but if there are no objections to the 
>>> response I suggest or to a modification of the response that we can 
>>> agree to on the list, perhaps I can go ahead with a 
>> response without 
>>> the need for a specific agenda item.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> a.
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>>> From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: 18 augusti 2007 12.23.50 EDT
>>>> To: avri@psg.com
>>>> Subject: GA
>>>>
>>>> Dear Councilors,
>>>>
>>>> This letter is a formal request from the GNSO General Assembly for 
>>>> recognition of our List Rules and for a directive that we 
>> be allowed 
>>>> to interface with those in control of the List in order to 
>> implement 
>>>> our new rules.
>>>>
>>>> Our GA list will be more effective in contributing to the 
>> business of 
>>>> the GNSO if we are allowed a modicum of self governance. 
>> Within the 
>>>> Rules we have provided for reasonable self organization and a 
>>>> disciplinary regimen.
>>>>
>>>> We are mindful of the differences which from time to time 
>> may exist 
>>>> between the GA and the existing structural members of 
>> ICANN. It is by 
>>>> establishing procedures and restraints that we hope to 
>> change those 
>>>> differences into contributions.
>>>>
>>>> Please earnestly consider this request.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Eric Hugh Dierker
>>>> GA Chair
>>>>
>>>> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.htm
>>>> or
>>>> http://www.geolang.com/draftGAListRules5.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ross Rader
>> Director, Retail Services
>> Tucows Inc.
>>
>> http://www.domaindirect.com
>> t. 416.538.5492
>>
> 
> 


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Regards,

Ross Rader
Director, Retail Services
Tucows Inc.

http://www.domaindirect.com
t. 416.538.5492