At the end of the day, SG/Cs will also need to use these criteria as part of their selection process for Council members! I see them to fit better for that purpose than for the selection of fellows to attend an ICANN meeting! Sent from my iPhone
On 10 Apr 2019, at 00:41, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I thought that the current language is neutral since it is not setting a specific threshold or condition (such having some score in TOEIC, TOFEL, IETLS etc) and leave that to applicants who can demonstrate that through their application which is in English. can a different wording alleviate the concerns?
Best,
Rafik
Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 01:30, <philippe.fouquart@orange.com> a écrit : It counts obviously but not sure this condition is useful either, or that it brings anything to the list for that matter: can we reasonably expect people to have a “Knowledge of the GNSO policy development process […]” without reasonable good language skills? Because for general speaking and listening skills, I would think B1 English level is good enough if that means anything to people.
I’m not even sure it looks good for GNSO to say you have to speak good English to join the band;
Otherwise the list looks good to me, maybe we could have something to the effect that those who may potentially be new constituency members in the future would be welcome. Just a thought.
Regards,
Philippe
From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Martin Pablo Silva Valent Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:03 PM To: Arsene Bajuma Cc: council@gnso.icann.org; council Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
I agree, for several fellows in the past, the experience was a big intensive improvement in their English, so it is tricky to marginalize less fluent people only based on that. Fluently is usually acquired in experiences like this one. I would say they require some basic level to follow the debate, like they do currently, but not professional level. Remember a lot of their value is their relevance on their community back home, not only to work in icann matter but to take their acquired knowledge on their own IG work.
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On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for this ongoing effort. I have read the following as part of the bullet points/
"Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a respectful and constructive manner"
I would like to object to this statement. The ability to speak English SHOULD NOT, in my opinion, be a criterion when selecting a member of the fellowship program.
Happy to hear what you all think here.
Thanks, Arsene
2019-04-09 12:15 UTC+02:00, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>:
Merci!
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:14 PM To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Cc: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>; Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com>; council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
Hi Marie,
I think that is fine.
Best,
Rafik
Le mar. 9 avr. 2019 à 17:25, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> a écrit : I’m talking to the BC Rafik; hoping it’s not too late for me to send comments in on Thursday? Best Marie
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Pam Little Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 5:36 AM To: Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>; council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
Thank you for the reminder, Rafik
I have updated the strawman list of criteria/desirable skills Heather has kindly put together. I have tried to incorporate Darcy's feedback but welcome further input/suggestions.
Kind regards,
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Thanks Darcy for the feedback. I would like to ask other councillors to share their input in order to update the list.
Best Regards,
Rafik
Le mar. 2 avr. 2019 à 03:24, Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>> a écrit : Thanks for sharing, Rafik.
When I think about fellowship selection, I also think about how we measure success once a fellow has been selected and completed any level of participation. I think much of what is outlined is the strawman is valuable for selection criteria. When we refer to “awareness,” we’re really referring to knowledge, and we may want to establish definitions of knowledge levels. For example, consider this these:
• Familiar = becoming aware, first introduction
• Basic = ability to talk about at a high level
• Fluent = comfortable getting into detail and teaching others
• Expert = subject matter expert, let me write a book on the subject
Working with defined levels of knowledge allows the Council to evaluate the effectiveness of the selection criteria and the engagement efforts that take place with the fellows to enable their growth and engagement in the community.
Thanks, Darcy
From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:22 PM To: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
Hi all,
I am sharing update from Heather regarding the fellowship selection committee and strawman document for GNSO specific skills expected from fellows, for council review and input.
Best,
Rafik ---------- Forwarded message --------- De : Heather Forrest Date: mer. 13 mars 2019 à 17:38 Subject: Re: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update To:
Dear Keith, Rafik, Pam,
Now that the Council meeting of ICANN64 is behind you, I return to the request from the Fellowship Selection Committee for GNSO-specific target skills for ICANN Fellows in the ICANN66 selection round.
For your post-ICANN64 action item list, attached is the strawman I volunteered to prepare. If Council can finalise its list of criteria at or before its April meeting, these should be able to be applied to the ICANN66 selection round.
Best wishes,
Heather
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