All, This is fine as a way forward for me too. Having said that I’d like to point out that many members have raised similar issues within our constituency with the exact same idea of kpis/metrics – although it’s arguably something which may be difficult to develop. Moving forward and generally speaking I think that is not unreasonable to expect that travel support or part thereof be monitored against such “active contribution”. Certainly each program may have a different view of what that is, but some way to evaluate this as we move along only seems a very basic requirement for accountability. Thanks to Michele, Ayden and Tatiana for articulating this. Regards, Philippe Fouquart Orange Labs Networks +33 (0) 1 57 39 58 13 From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:01 PM To: Tatiana Tropina; Carlos Raul Gutierrez Cc: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] Community travel support consultation - draft of proposed response All As one of those who drafted the comments with Tatiana I am happy to stand over them, however I fully accept what Donna is saying. So maybe the path forward is to do the following: 1 – a submission from the GNSO Council taking into consideration Donna’s suggestions, without getting into the quagmire of some of the programs. This would keep within the scope of the GNSO Council’s views on this hopefully. 2 – Those of us who feel strongly that comments should be submitted regarding certain aspects of the travel support program do so separately ie. not as a submission by Council, but as community members who wish to express their opinion. Of course there is also the option of submissions via our respective stakeholder groups etc., though I’m not sure if that will really work for everyone. Just a suggestion. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ https://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina@gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina@gmail.com>> Date: Saturday 18 November 2017 at 13:04 To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> Cc: GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Community travel support consultation - draft of proposed response Hi Carlos and all, Thanks a lot for your comments. if we follow your logic it means that only those who are responsible for the fellowship and NextGen programs are able to comment on its effectiveness, although fellowship is supposed to be beneficial for the entire community and should be assessed by the community. I asked on the GNSO call when the questionnaire was presented why it missed questions about the fellowship and NextGen (as these programs have a large share in the ICANN travel budget) and whether this would be added at the later stage. I was told that we can add our comments on this at the end of the questionnaire as general remarks. I believe there are a lot of concerns about these programs. I see that we have no consensus as to whether we can comment on this, but I do think it's worth to raise these concerns and that we as a GNSO council are in a position to do so. This is what "general remarks" section is for, in my opinion. So I am apparently with the drafting team and with Erika and Julf here that instead of deleting the paragraph about these programs, we might even add more there, e.g. highlight that they are not ICANN focused enough. Warm regards, Tanya On 18 November 2017 at 13:32, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <crg@isoc-cr.org<mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org>> wrote: Good morning! I have read the questionnaire again. I think that the questionnaire is asking questions about our own SO (only). While I think the comment is interesting, I do agree with Donna that is falls outside of the Questionnaires realm. So in good ICANN Style, If somebody wants to write a high level "rationale" about ICANN travel support policy, it make sense to add it in the email remitting the GNSO answers to the questionnaire. But in my view, it does not answer any of the questions. My two cents Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176<tel:+506%208837%207176> ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Johan Helsingius <julf@julf.com<mailto:julf@julf.com>> wrote: Erika,
How about mentioning that there's concern that the Fellowship Program is not sufficiently focusing on ICANN issues? I made a recommendation below. If you don't like it, change it or don't include it. Both is fine with me.
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