Thanks both – looks good to me! M From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Ayden Férdeline Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 1:10 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Please find attached some suggested edits in track changes. These are minor changes. I have only fixed a few typos, and inserted the words "and civil society" to the end of the sentence: "Understanding of and sensitivity to the ICANN ecosystem – business, technical community, governments, user community" Thanks, Ayden ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, April 13, 2019 7:51 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, based on the latest edits, I tried to have a clean/redline versions (attached) Best, Rafik Le ven. 12 avr. 2019 à 14:27, Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>> a écrit : Hi all, Many thanks to those who contributed to the discussions. Also, thanks to Rafik for reaching out to Heather (GNSO's representative on the ICANN Fellowship Selection Committee) who authored the strawman list and has kindly responded to some of the comments from our Councilors: * [council] Fellowship Selection Process - Council questions answered <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2019-April/022566.html> "There are universal criteria that apply to all applications; a basic ability to communicate in English is indeed inherent in the process, as applications must be submitted in English and understandable to the Selection Committee members. It seems to me that it is not necessary to specify English language ability as a GNSO-specific criterion." In light of Heather's response, I think we can delete the bullet "Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a respectful and constructive manner ". With regard to Darcy's' suggested edits, I am leaning towards keeping "Willingness to adhere to the ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behaviour" as it is much broader than just communications. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sender:Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Sent At:2019 Apr. 11 (Thu.) 19:33 Recipient:darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:Recipient%3Adarcy.southwell@endurance.com> <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>; "Novoa, Osvaldo" <onovoa@Antel.com.uy<mailto:onovoa@Antel.com.uy>>; Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>> Cc:council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject:Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Hi all, The BC has a number of suggestions - see attached. Also, we know this is a list of criteria for the suitability of the applicants, but we think that there should be more clarity to help them understand to which part of the GNSO they would actually be best suited before they apply. We've all seen cases of misunderstanding in self-designation; we need a short explanation of how the designation correlates to the SO/C. For example, the word "business" doesn't always mean "the BC is your appropriate home": we've seen applicants claiming the "business" badge but they were with a ccTLD, a small registrar, even the trade department of a government... On the other hand, small business from the global south would be a great asset to our ecosystem. Thanks Marie -----Original Message----- From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Darcy Southwell Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:59 PM To: 'Novoa, Osvaldo' <onovoa@Antel.com.uy<mailto:onovoa@Antel.com.uy>>; 'Martin Pablo Silva Valent' <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; 'council' <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update I agree with the comments about the English language requirement. That's unreasonable and is a discouraging component. Regarding the bullet about communication, what if we considered this: "Ability and willingness to communicate orally and in writing in a manner consistent with ICANN's Expected Standards of Behavior." And then we could delete the next bullet about "willingness to adhere...." I have to put some additional thought into Ayden's comments about the new purpose of the Fellowship program, but my immediate reaction is that the new purpose doesn't warrant a change in expectations. Whatever program criteria is established, I feel it should serve two purposes: 1) allowing the selection team to identify the most appropriate candidates for participation, and 2) measuring the effectiveness of the program. -----Original Message----- From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Novoa, Osvaldo Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 7:06 AM To: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>> Cc: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Me too. Osvaldo Novoa Enviado desde mi iPhone El 10 abr. 2019, a la(s) 10:24, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com><mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>>> escribió: I agree with Philippe point. Martin Silva Valent mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com><mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>> Partner | Silva.legal martin@silva.legal<mailto:martin@<mailto:martin@>silva.legal> Director | Dat.as martin.silva@dat.as<mailto:martin.silva@dat.as><mailto:martin.silva@dat.as<mailto:martin.silva@dat.as>> Skype ID: mpsilvavalent Tel: +5491164993943 Libertador 5990, Off. 406 Buenos Aires, Argentina. Este email, incluyendo adjuntos, podría contener información confidencial protegida por ley y es para uso exclusivo de su destinatario. Si Ud. no es el destinatario, se le advierte que cualquier uso, difusión, copia o retención de este email o su contenido está estrictamente prohibido. Si Ud. recibió este email por error, por favor avise inmediatamente al remitente por teléfono o email y borre el mismo de su computadora. / This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is protected by law as privileged and confidential, and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying or retention of this e-mail or the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. On Apr 10, 2019, at 4:52 AM, philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com><mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com>> wrote: Thanks Rafik. The point was not to call for a specific level, I agree, but to say that given the other criteria, this particular one is pointless IMO, and would suggest to delete it. In other words, if the applicant can demonstrate they "know the GNSO PDP", or is "able [.] to actively contribute to GNSO activity [.] via remote participation in conference calls or a group mailing list", asking whether they can speak, understand, or write in decent English is futile. It's really just a personal opinion and not a strong one, but it's worthwhile noting that within the ISPCP we already have a number of members who would intervene in a manner that could be misconstrued as "disrespectful" to a native speaker (to use the word of the document), and yet once you ignore the form and focus on substance, their inputs are invaluable to our community of ISPs because they're from part of the Internet ecosystem we sometimes have difficulty reaching out to. Regards, Philippe From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 12:41 AM To: FOUQUART Philippe TGI/OLN Cc: Martin Pablo Silva Valent; Arsene Bajuma; council; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Hi, I thought that the current language is neutral since it is not setting a specific threshold or condition (such having some score in TOEIC, TOFEL, IETLS etc) and leave that to applicants who can demonstrate that through their application which is in English. can a different wording alleviate the concerns? Best, Rafik Le mer. 10 avr. 2019 à 01:30, <philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com><mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com<mailto:philippe.fouquart@orange.com>>> a écrit : It counts obviously but not sure this condition is useful either, or that it brings anything to the list for that matter: can we reasonably expect people to have a "Knowledge of the GNSO policy development process [.]" without reasonable good language skills? Because for general speaking and listening skills, I would think B1 English level is good enough if that means anything to people. I'm not even sure it looks good for GNSO to say you have to speak good English to join the band; Otherwise the list looks good to me, maybe we could have something to the effect that those who may potentially be new constituency members in the future would be welcome. Just a thought. Regards, Philippe From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>
] On Behalf Of Martin Pablo Silva Valent Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 6:03 PM To: Arsene Bajuma Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>>; council Subject: Re: [council] Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update
I agree, for several fellows in the past, the experience was a big intensive improvement in their English, so it is tricky to marginalize less fluent people only based on that. Fluently is usually acquired in experiences like this one. I would say they require some basic level to follow the debate, like they do currently, but not professional level. Remember a lot of their value is their relevance on their community back home, not only to work in icann matter but to take their acquired knowledge on their own IG work. Martin Silva Valent mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com><mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com<mailto:mpsilvavalent@gmail.com>> Partner | Silva.legal martin@silva.legal<mailto:martin@<mailto:martin@>silva.legal> Director | Dat.as martin.silva@dat.as<mailto:martin.silva@dat.as><mailto:martin.silva@dat.as<mailto:martin.silva@dat.as>> Skype ID: mpsilvavalent Tel: +5491164993943 Libertador 5990, Off. 406 Buenos Aires, Argentina. Este email, incluyendo adjuntos, podría contener información confidencial protegida por ley y es para uso exclusivo de su destinatario. Si Ud. no es el destinatario, se le advierte que cualquier uso, difusión, copia o retención de este email o su contenido está estrictamente prohibido. Si Ud. recibió este email por error, por favor avise inmediatamente al remitente por teléfono o email y borre el mismo de su computadora. / This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain information that is protected by law as privileged and confidential, and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying or retention of this e-mail or the information contained herein is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. On Apr 9, 2019, at 11:58 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma@gmail.com<mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com><mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com<mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi all, Thanks for this ongoing effort. I have read the following as part of the bullet points/ "Ability to communicate in English orally and in writing, in a respectful and constructive manner" I would like to object to this statement. The ability to speak English SHOULD NOT, in my opinion, be a criterion when selecting a member of the fellowship program. Happy to hear what you all think here. Thanks, Arsene 2019-04-09 12:15 UTC+02:00, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be><mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>>: Merci! From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:14 PM To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be><mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>>> Cc: Pam Little <pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com><mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com<mailto:pam.little@alibaba-inc.com>>>; Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com><mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>>; council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>>; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Hi Marie, I think that is fine. Best, Rafik Le mar. 9 avr. 2019 à 17:25, Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be><mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>><mailto:marie.pattullo@a<mailto:marie.pattullo@a> im.be<http://im.be>>> a écrit : I'm talking to the BC Rafik; hoping it's not too late for me to send comments in on Thursday? Best Marie From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>><mailt o:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:o%3Acouncil-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>> On Behalf Of Pam Little Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 5:36 AM To: Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com><mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>><mailto: darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>>; council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>><mailt o:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:o%3Acouncil-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>><mailto:council@gnso.ic<mailto:council@gnso.ic> ann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Thank you for the reminder, Rafik I have updated the strawman list of criteria/desirable skills Heather has kindly put together. I have tried to incorporate Darcy's feedback but welcome further input/suggestions. Kind regards, Pam ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sender:Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>><mailto:rafik<mailto:rafik>.dammak@g mail.com<http://mail.com>>> Sent At:2019 Apr. 9 (Tue.) 11:16 Recipient:Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com><mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>><mailto: darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>> Cc:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:Cc%3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>><mailto:Cc%<mailto:Cc%25><mailto:C<mailto:C> c%25>3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org<mailto:3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org><mailto:3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org<mailto:3Acouncil@gnso.icann.org>>> <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>><mailto:council@gnso.i<mailto:council@gnso.i> cann.org>> Subject:Re: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Thanks Darcy for the feedback. I would like to ask other councillors to share their input in order to update the list. Best Regards, Rafik Le mar. 2 avr. 2019 à 03:24, Darcy Southwell <darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com><mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>><mailto: darcy.southwell@endurance.com<mailto:darcy.southwell@endurance.com>>> a écrit : Thanks for sharing, Rafik. When I think about fellowship selection, I also think about how we measure success once a fellow has been selected and completed any level of participation. I think much of what is outlined is the strawman is valuable for selection criteria. When we refer to "awareness," we're really referring to knowledge, and we may want to establish definitions of knowledge levels. For example, consider this these: . Familiar = becoming aware, first introduction . Basic = ability to talk about at a high level . Fluent = comfortable getting into detail and teaching others . Expert = subject matter expert, let me write a book on the subject Working with defined levels of knowledge allows the Council to evaluate the effectiveness of the selection criteria and the engagement efforts that take place with the fellows to enable their growth and engagement in the community. Thanks, Darcy From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>><mailt o:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:o%3Acouncil-bounces@gnso.icann.org>>> On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:22 PM To: Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org><mailto:council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>><mailto:council@gnso.i<mailto:council@gnso.i> cann.org>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update Hi all, I am sharing update from Heather regarding the fellowship selection committee and strawman document for GNSO specific skills expected from fellows, for council review and input. Best, Rafik ---------- Forwarded message --------- De : Heather Forrest Date: mer. 13 mars 2019 à 17:38 Subject: Re: Fellowships for ICANN65 Marrakech - Update To: Dear Keith, Rafik, Pam, Now that the Council meeting of ICANN64 is behind you, I return to the request from the Fellowship Selection Committee for GNSO-specific target skills for ICANN Fellows in the ICANN66 selection round. For your post-ICANN64 action item list, attached is the strawman I volunteered to prepare. If Council can finalise its list of criteria at or before its April meeting, these should be able to be applied to the ICANN66 selection round. 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