Hello All, Speaking personally I think we need to get the right balance between Dialogue and Progress. The way to achieve this in my personal view, is to actually work on collecting well researched information, and creating concrete policy proposals. Then dialogue is useful to explain the benefits of a particular proposal, and also identify anything that has been missed in a particular proposal. The reaction to the WHOIS definition, has shown that we were probably premature in engaging in a dialogue until we had a concrete proposal that addresses the full terms of reference. Over the last few years we have had many WHOIS workshops, presentations, and discussions, but very little progress. I think that few members of the WHOIS task force or even the Council really need more presentations on how WHOIS is vitally important, and how it is currently being used. Our shared objective is still to improve the effectiveness of the WHOIS service, whilst taking into account where appropriate the need to ensure privacy protection for the Personal Data of natural persons. Our next steps should be to have a dialogue about our progress :-) That requires the development of quality information and policy proposals that we can use to discuss. Regards, Bruce Tonkin Council member