Hi, I agree with Wendy's first comment, as this changed wording would remove any preconception a WG member may have that a certain result is preferential over another or a certain question actually requires a solution. Phrasing the questions in a neutral, non-leading manner will possibly improve the result of the WG. If the number of question could be condensed by combining them into theme complexes that may be an option, but in general, I have no issue with a broad scope. The questions are each important enough to deserve at least consideration and review by the WG. Best, Volker
Hi Mary and colleagues,
As I said on the Council call, I'm concerned about the framing of the questions in the draft charter: I'd like every "What" to say "What, if any ..." rather than suggesting that all of them necessarily require practices or responses. I also believe the number of questions is far too large, giving the group an unwieldy broad scope (indeed, when I first viewed and printed the document from OpenOffice, the list was cut off after 6).
--Wendy
On 10/17/2013 03:17 PM, Mary Wong wrote:
Dear all, attached is a revised version of the draft charter, to which I've added Volker's suggested questions (below) to the scope of the WG's work and fixed the previous typos. I hope this revised version will be of assistance in your continuing discussions.
Cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
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From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@afilias.info> Organization: Afilias Reply-To: "jrobinson@afilias.info" <jrobinson@afilias.info> Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 5:07 AM To: 'Volker Greimann' <vgreimann@key-Systems.net>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy Accreditation Services PDP WG
Thanks Volker,
Agreed on the title. I think the Privacy & Proxy Accreditation Services PDP WG is a typo/error and it should read Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation PDP WG. Thanks also for the specific additional input of your two points italicised below.
I¹d very much like to get additional input on whether or not we (or with the help of input from our respective groups / constituencies) can get the current draft charter polished to a satisfactory state.
There is obviously a driver to getting the WG going without the DT step i.e. to demonstrate that the PDP process can be efficient and, to some extent, flexible whilst still being thorough. But, clearly we need to be sure that we are confident that we can tolerate skipping this (DT) step if we go down that route.
Jonathan
From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: 15 October 2013 18:15 To: jrobinson@afilias.info; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Draft PDP charter - Privacy & Proxy Accreditation Services PDP WG
Hi Jonathan,
first of all, I support the new naming of the proposed PDP to better fit and describe the only identified remaining issues. By giving the PDP WG a name that says what is does, it will be easier to attract the necessary parties to participate in this important effort and add focus the work effort. Maybe just one suggestion would be to switch the positions of the words "Accreditation" and "Services" to make it read: "Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation PDP WG", i.e. the way it is spelled out in text of the draft charter, but not in the headline.
Regarding the charter, I feel that the draft is already a good template for the WG. While it may be advisable to give it a final polish in a Drafting Team, I can see why there is support for option one. I would however suggest a few further issues to consider:
"What are the effects of the privacy & proxy service specification contained in the 2013 RAA? Have these new requirements improved Whois quality, registrant contactability and service usability?"
"What should be the contractual obligations of ICANN accredited registrars with regard to accredited privacy/proxy service providers? Should registrars be permitted to knowingly accept registrations where the registrant is using unaccredited service providers that are however bound to the same standards as accredited service providers?"
etc.
So I am not yet certain this draft is or should be the final word. While the remaining changes to this draft may be minor, it maybe worthwhile to go through the entire process by creating a drafting team, if just to make sure all the "i"s are dotted.
Best regards,
Volker
All,
Following up on our discussion regarding the charter for the ³RAA Remaining Issues PDP² on our call on Thursday last week, I hope that we can start a discussion right away regarding possible revisions to the draft charter prepared by staff which I forwarded to you all just prior to our meeting. I believe our aim should be to form a view as to whether or not the draft charter, as amended according to our anticipated discussions, is a document that can be voted on for adoption at our next Council meeting.
As a reminder, our options are essentially either:
1. Discuss and revise this draft charter for formal adoption by the Council, which will then proceed to form a Working Group (WG) to begin work; or
2. Create a Drafting Team (DT) to finalize a charter based either upon this draft or starting from a blank slate to be proposed for adoption at a later Council meeting.
On our Thursday call last week, several Councillors supported option 1 above as a pragmatic way forward i.e. to see if we can find agreement as to the terms of the charter that will govern the WG's work. I am therefore circulating the draft Charter again (re-titled and slightly revised to more accurately reflect the scope of the PDP) for discussion.
My sense is that the scope will be largely governed by the specific issues that are laid out in Section III of the draft Charter. So, perhaps we can start by discussing possible revisions to these questions, not in terms of substantive discussion over the merits or content of the answers, but in relation to whether they sufficiently describe and frame the scope of work for the WG.
If we are able to reach agreement within the next week, we can then propose the revised charter for adoption on 21 October i.e. within the document deadline for our upcoming 31 October meeting.
I look forward to an engaging and constructive discussion on the list on this topic.
Thanks,
Jonathan
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