Ross, Council members The question ---------------- I make no apology for changing the question. The TF failed to come up with an answer to the question posed, so this does suggest it might have been the wrong one in the first place. Evidence for this assertion is all around us. If one reads the argumentation in the TF report from those in favour of formulation 1 or 2, it is clear many favour one option or the other based on issues of data use. It is the question of use that divides us. We cannot escape addressing this issue. The objective ------------------ If Council accepts that use by law enforcement or other parties pursuing objectives of user/consumer protection is an objective we endorse, then we MUST agree to define the "purpose for which data is collected". Without that such use contravenes most data protection laws. This is the issue. The blind alley -------------------- Defining WHOIS purpose based on its historic technical context may be a statement of fact but it does nothing to enlighten the WHOIS issues that have been aired over the last 5 years. That is our task. Not restating the past. Formulation 1 is an historic truth, conveniently devoid of today's issue. Formulation 2 was attempting to recognise today's issue but used fuzzy language. My compromise seeks to focus the language more specifically on the issue. Philip