HI On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
Hi,
In a truly secret ballot, which is what we are planning to set up provisionally
Why? It's not been apparent that there's a majority for closure.
(awaiting the decision of the council on closing the vote)
When and how do we vote on this, I must have missed it. Thanks, Bill
it would not be possible for Glen to identify the voters.
a.
On 17 Oct 2009, at 07:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
Glen could privately communicate the votes of each SG's Councilors to the SG chair or in the case of constituencies to the Constituency chairs.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:40 AM To: Tim Ruiz; GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you voted (and that you represented them appropriately?).
Adrian Kinderis
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend that their votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the Council level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret from their constituents.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com> Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am To: "Mary Wong" <MWong@piercelaw.edu> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@gnso.icann.org>
Strictly from a personal point of view:
+ I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency reasons, but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors.
+ If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am fine with a secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each SG's reps be communicated to the SG.
+ If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding whether to hold a secret or open ballot.
I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their direction. In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance with that direction and not my personal views.
Chuck
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM Cc: Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
Hi
On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of mistrust amongst the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have complete transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support the idea of a secret ballot in this case.
Cheers Mary
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