Thanks Paul. Look forward to initial discussion in Joburg. Best, Philip Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: icannlists [mailto:icannlists@winston.com] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 10:15 AM To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Phil Corwin; Rubens Kuhl; icannlists Cc: GNSO Council List (council@gnso.icann.org) (council@gnso.icann.org) Subject: RE: [council] Motion for JoBurg Meeting Thanks Michele. Thanks Phil. That is why it was put forth as a motion to form a team to look at the issue (including knock- on effects), rather than a motion to make the change. The vote in JoBurg will only be to begin looking at it, not to decide to do it. Since the team can consist of GNSO members, not only GNSO Councilors, I don’t think this will have a material effect upon the Council’s work (other than one more action item to track and one more liaison to appoint). Best, Paul From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 5:59 AM To: Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>>; Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>>; icannlists <icannlists@winston.com<mailto:icannlists@winston.com>> Cc: GNSO Council List (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>) (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>) <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Motion for JoBurg Meeting Phil I’ve no idea about trademark infringements, but the knock- on effects of changing this could be massive. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Philip Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> Date: Thursday 15 June 2017 at 21:15 To: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br<mailto:rubensk@nic.br>>, icannlists <icannlists@winston.com<mailto:icannlists@winston.com>> Cc: "GNSO Council List (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>) (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>)" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Motion for JoBurg Meeting Are we risking a trademark infringement suit from .global? How about gTLD standing for Great Top level Domains? It could make the DNS great again. ;-) But seriously, while the “G” in gTLD standing for generic may need rethinking, if we are going to open this up maybe the G should be replaced by another letter or letters (NC for Non-Country, P for Private, E for Entrepreneurial, etc.) I’m not opposed to starting a discussion of this in Johannesburg, but I’d think we need some substantial discussion on this before being ready to vote on a Motion. We certainly have the time to explore it as there is no pressing need to make a short-term decision. Best to all, and safe travel to Joburg. Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/Cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:11 PM To: icannlists Cc: GNSO Council List (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>) (council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>) Subject: Re: [council] Motion for JoBurg Meeting On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:19 AM, icannlists <icannlists@winston.com<mailto:icannlists@winston.com>> wrote: Hi All, Below is my motion for consideration when we are together in Johannesburg. Safe travels. Best, Paul WHEREAS, the domain names promulgated by ICANN are available globally and are not sponsored by any particular government (“Global Domains”); Saying that only gTLDs are global may give a wrong impression on the scope of ccTLDs. There is also no requirement in RFC 1591 for a ccTLD to be sponsored by the local government, and indeed some ccTLD are not. WHEREAS, the term “generic” has several meanings within various portions of the ICANN Community; That may be so, but in IG(Internet Governance) that definition has quite a lot of consensus around it. WHEREAS, since the advent of .brand top level domain names, the use of the term “generic” in relationship to Global Domains has become increasingly confusing; That advent brought some "non IG educated parties" to the table, and while I'm usually for using terminology that is better understood, changing terms that have bylaws impact should be with extreme care. WHEREAS, the ICANN Organization has already adjusted its nomenclature and has named the division of the organization dealing with non-ccTLD domain names the “Global Domains Division” That's not correct. GDD also deals with non-gTLD matters, like IANA/PTI. https://www.icann.org/management-organization-chart documents this, but that's a nuance that staff explained to meearly on when GDD was created and I asked if that was by design or mistake. Rubens ________________________________ The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. If this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. Any tax advice contained in this email was not intended to be used, and cannot be used, by you (or any other taxpayer) to avoid penalties under applicable tax laws and regulations.