Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889
Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author.
Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author.
Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author.
My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: a.. Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed b.. Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul c.. Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) d.. Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" e.. Rec 3, 4 - no change f.. Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 g.. Rec 7 - no change h.. Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) i.. Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy j.. Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort k.. Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author.
Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James’ letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council’s comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council’s decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I’m not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam – in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday’s call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich’s more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C’s and SG’s would not be included in James’ letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren’t sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn’t through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. 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Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" Rec 3, 4 - no change Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 Rec 7 - no change Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. 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Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. 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Hi Paul, I'm a bit confused. Is there another Paul McGrady or are you the same Paul McGrady who served on the CCWG sub-team with me and, frankly, had more input, as I did, to the sub-group submission than did the average Councillor? :) If you want to use hyperbolic terms like "censorship" I'll oblige: The NCSG/NCUC concerns on the role of the GAC were "censored" out of or comments on recommendation 1, the NPOC specific concerns on inspection were "censored" out of multiple recommendations, the NCSG call for more transparency in WS2 were "censored" out of WS 12. Man, we have a lot of "censorship" here. I can probably give you another 50 or 60 versions of "censorship" of NPOC/NCSG/NCUC views in this document. Of course, there is no "censorship" going on here. I'd prefer to avoid hyperbole and work cooperatively to develop a unified GNSO position on as many matters as we can. It won't be possible in every instance or on every recommendation or on any point and it won't be perfect and not every point by every group some of which diverge) will be captured. We do the best we can. I look forward to viewing James effort at doing so and look forward to working cooperatively with my fellow Councillors to constructing a response worthy of all of the fine groups that compose the GNSO. Best, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:25 PM To: "egmorris1@toast.net" <egmorris1@toast.net>, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ---------------------------------------- From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" Rec 3, 4 - no change Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 Rec 7 - no change Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. 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Thanks Ed. While I express no opinion one way or the other on the items you list nor on your decision not to raise your concerns on the 2 hour call, I do note that I did raise my specific concern with a specific language proposal during the call at the specific time that Recommendation 9 was being discussed. I was told that was the purpose of the call. While I did serve on the subteam, I did not draft the section on Recommendation 9 (Keith did) and the entire Council list was told by Staff that all of it had not been reviewed by each member of the Subteam before it went out. If there was a deadline to review and comment prior to it going it to the entire list, that deadline should have been made clear and should have been longer than 48 hours during NamesCon. I guess I don't see why my request that the IPC be heard on Recommendation 9 is causing such consternation nor do I see any real benefits on doing a switcheroo on the process - if the subteam summary was finalized and uncommentable [new word] upon at the time of its submission to the Council list, what was the purpose of the 4am Pacific time call? Like you said, we will just need to trust James B. to get this right and I do hope that means allowing IPC's voice to be heard along with its peers. Best to all, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:46 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I'm a bit confused. Is there another Paul McGrady or are you the same Paul McGrady who served on the CCWG sub-team with me and, frankly, had more input, as I did, to the sub-group submission than did the average Councillor? :) If you want to use hyperbolic terms like "censorship" I'll oblige: The NCSG/NCUC concerns on the role of the GAC were "censored" out of or comments on recommendation 1, the NPOC specific concerns on inspection were "censored" out of multiple recommendations, the NCSG call for more transparency in WS2 were "censored" out of WS 12. Man, we have a lot of "censorship" here. I can probably give you another 50 or 60 versions of "censorship" of NPOC/NCSG/NCUC views in this document. Of course, there is no "censorship" going on here. I'd prefer to avoid hyperbole and work cooperatively to develop a unified GNSO position on as many matters as we can. It won't be possible in every instance or on every recommendation or on any point and it won't be perfect and not every point by every group some of which diverge) will be captured. We do the best we can. I look forward to viewing James effort at doing so and look forward to working cooperatively with my fellow Councillors to constructing a response worthy of all of the fine groups that compose the GNSO. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:25 PM To: "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. 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Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C’s and SG’s whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9.
Best,
Paul
*From:*Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM *To:* WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org; McGrady, Paul D. *Subject:* RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Hi everybody,
I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday.
I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that.
Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so.
Best,
Ed
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*From*: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com <mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> *Sent*: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM *To*: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> *Subject*: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Hi Wolf-Ulrich,
I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James’ letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council’s comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council’s decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I’m not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam – in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday’s call).
All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich’s more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C’s and SG’s would not be included in James’ letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren’t sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn’t through 2 hours out the window.
Best to all,
Paul
*From:*WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM *To:* McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
*From:*McGrady, Paul D. <mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>
*Sent:*Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM
*To:*Mary Wong <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>
*Subject:*[council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Thanks Mary.
Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach.
Best,
Paul
*From:*Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM *To:* McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Hi Paul and everyone,
The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document!
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
Telephone: +1-603-5744889
*From: *"McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com <mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> *Date: *Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 *To: *Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> *Subject: *RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts.
Best,
Paul
*From:*owner-council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM *To:* council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject:* [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal
Dear all,
Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything.
ACTION ITEMS:
* Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change
Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
Telephone: +1-603-5744889
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Hi folks - Just getting caught up after my journey home from Las Vegas, and getting up to speed on this thread. I appreciate everyone’s concerns, but I would caution that Staff and I (Mary drew the short straw, I think) are still working to develop a rough draft, so most of this is premature. Until we have something fleshed out, it would be helpful if folks could take a step back from claiming that certain views weren’t captured or were intentionally omitted. There will be ample opportunities for Council to review & offer edits before -anything– is posted to the CCWG on behalf of the GNSO, and we’ve specifically tagged Paul & Ed to review the response to Recommendation #9 to make sure I got it right. Thanks— J. From: <owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 at 5:59 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>>, "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C’s and SG’s whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James’ letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council’s comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council’s decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I’m not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam – in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday’s call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich’s more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C’s and SG’s would not be included in James’ letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren’t sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn’t through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; <mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. 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Thanks James! Best, Paul From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:15 AM To: Volker Greimann; McGrady, Paul D.; egmorris1@toast.net; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi folks - Just getting caught up after my journey home from Las Vegas, and getting up to speed on this thread. I appreciate everyone's concerns, but I would caution that Staff and I (Mary drew the short straw, I think) are still working to develop a rough draft, so most of this is premature. Until we have something fleshed out, it would be helpful if folks could take a step back from claiming that certain views weren't captured or were intentionally omitted. There will be ample opportunities for Council to review & offer edits before -anything- is posted to the CCWG on behalf of the GNSO, and we've specifically tagged Paul & Ed to review the response to Recommendation #9 to make sure I got it right. Thanks- J. From: <owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 at 5:59 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>>, "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. 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It's quite interesting that we are discussing "Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January", as it is two days in the future ;-) Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:20 AM To: James M. Bladel; Volker Greimann; egmorris1@toast.net; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks James! Best, Paul From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:15 AM To: Volker Greimann; McGrady, Paul D.; egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi folks - Just getting caught up after my journey home from Las Vegas, and getting up to speed on this thread. I appreciate everyone's concerns, but I would caution that Staff and I (Mary drew the short straw, I think) are still working to develop a rough draft, so most of this is premature. Until we have something fleshed out, it would be helpful if folks could take a step back from claiming that certain views weren't captured or were intentionally omitted. There will be ample opportunities for Council to review & offer edits before -anything- is posted to the CCWG on behalf of the GNSO, and we've specifically tagged Paul & Ed to review the response to Recommendation #9 to make sure I got it right. Thanks- J. From: <owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 at 5:59 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>>, "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. 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Thanks for spotting this, Phil, and apologies for the error (for which I can’t even blame time zone issues :)! Rest assured that Glen has got it right in the minutes, which I suppose is the real record of proceedings …. Cheers Mary From: Phil Corwin <psc@vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 at 23:45 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>>, "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com<mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com>>, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>>, "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal It’s quite interesting that we are discussing “Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January”, as it is two days in the future ;-) Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal Virtualaw LLC 1155 F Street, NW Suite 1050 Washington, DC 20004 202-559-8597/Direct 202-559-8750/Fax 202-255-6172/cell Twitter: @VlawDC "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:20 AM To: James M. Bladel; Volker Greimann; egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks James! Best, Paul From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:15 AM To: Volker Greimann; McGrady, Paul D.; egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi folks - Just getting caught up after my journey home from Las Vegas, and getting up to speed on this thread. I appreciate everyone’s concerns, but I would caution that Staff and I (Mary drew the short straw, I think) are still working to develop a rough draft, so most of this is premature. Until we have something fleshed out, it would be helpful if folks could take a step back from claiming that certain views weren’t captured or were intentionally omitted. There will be ample opportunities for Council to review & offer edits before -anything– is posted to the CCWG on behalf of the GNSO, and we’ve specifically tagged Paul & Ed to review the response to Recommendation #9 to make sure I got it right. Thanks— J. From: <owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-Systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-Systems.net>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2016 at 5:59 To: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>>, "egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>" <egmorris1@toast.net<mailto:egmorris1@toast.net>>, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C’s and SG’s whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James’ letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council’s comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council’s decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I’m not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam – in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday’s call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich’s more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C’s and SG’s would not be included in James’ letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren’t sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn’t through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. 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Thanks Volker. Likewise, excluding our language leaves something to be desired. I think I may not have made it clear what I am asking for. I'm not asking (yet) that the GNSO Council adopt the IPC position, merely to list it along with all the other C's and SG's whose comments were included by Keith in his draft of that section. We will indeed need to try to reach a consensus position on all of this, but that was not the purpose of yesterday's call. Yesterday's call was to ensure that all the voices were heard correctly on each of the Recommendation. Thanks! Best, Paul From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:00 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; egmorris1@toast.net; WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul, I think your language leaves something to be desired. Even if one or two points you want to raise were not to be reflected in the letter, this would hardly be "censorship". A position of the GNSO should first and foremost reflect the positions we can all agree on. If just one or two SGs have a certain view, that is their view (to be addressed in their individual comments) but not a view held by the GNSO as a whole. If included at all, it would be under the label of "The GNSO was unable to come to a unified consensus position on the following issues:" and I do not think that would help our case. Let's all take a breath of fresh air and work constructively on achieving a positive result that reflects the overall consensus of the council and the GNSO. Best, Volker Am 15.01.2016 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.: Thanks Ed. I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is censored out of Recommendation 9 or not. If it is, I suppose that the IPC will just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice. However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments to Recommendation 9. Best, Paul From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>; McGrady, Paul D. Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi everybody, I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the call yesterday. I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that. Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as he tries to do so. Best, Ed ________________________________ From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM To: "WUKnoben" <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>>, "Mary Wong" <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James' letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would not be included in James' letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren't sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> ; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't making saliency decisions for each others' comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com<mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com>> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>, "council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>" <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else's comments were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: * Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed * Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul * Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) * Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" * Rec 3, 4 - no change * Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 * Rec 7 - no change * Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) * Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy * Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort * Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. 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Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net> www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net> www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems> CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. 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Paul, it isn’t my intention to suppress any important comment. My only concern is to come to those points which may be real deal breakers. I did not assess IPC or other comments may fall under this category or not. This can only be done by yourself. I’m sorry if I was not clear enough. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 12:49 PM To: WUKnoben ; Mary Wong ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Wolf-Ulrich, I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should be included in James’ letter. You raise a much broader issue than just whether or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council’s comments on Recommendation 9 when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner rather than later? If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to explain the Council’s decision to include some voices but not others. Note, I’m not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by whomever had that section in the subteam – in other words, a drafting error, the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday’s call). All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich’s more general position, did anyone else on the call come away with the idea that the various positions of the C’s and SG’s would not be included in James’ letter? I left the call with a 180 degree different take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks (including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism. If we aren’t sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as soon as possible too, but really hope we didn’t through 2 hours out the window. Best to all, Paul From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de] Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn’t be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: McGrady, Paul D. Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM To: Mary Wong ; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Hopefully, we didn’t miss our window to be heard. We thought the purpose of today’s call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours or so given between draft and call. I also hope that other c’s and SG’s aren’t making saliency decisions for each others’ comments. In the sections I drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn’t share the concern. I hope that was the right approach. Best, Paul From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@icann.org] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Hi Paul and everyone, The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final document that lays out the Council’s response will basically be those SG/C comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be included or added to the document! Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@winston.com> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20 To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Thanks Mary. Just a quick question on Rec 9. Why would there need to be a review of whether or not to include the IPC comments? Everyone else’s comments were included, so I don’t know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see if they would be included. Thanks for your thoughts. Best, Paul From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal Dear all, Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we have missed or mischaracterized anything. ACTION ITEMS: a.. Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed b.. Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul c.. Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with cross-reference in/to Rec 3?) d.. Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support" e.. Rec 3, 4 - no change f.. Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to be resolved in WS2 g.. Rec 7 - no change h.. Rec 8 – further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including replies and deadlines) i.. Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally for accuracy j.. Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort k.. Rec 12 - no change Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure that you have the updates as soon as practicable. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Email: mary.wong@icann.org Telephone: +1-603-5744889 The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. 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Edward Morris -
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Mary Wong -
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Volker Greimann -
WUKnoben