Agree with you both. Updates are of course useful, but can be pre-meeting webinars/pre-reads/perhaps a 2 minute overview with one slide as an intro for the F2F. Then we need to know projected timelines, any issues/problems/blockages and everything Michele lists. We’re supposed to have an overview of process including concerns and of course we do have to meet physically as we’re supposed to help as well as represent! Thanks Marie From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:53 AM To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Heather My own thoughts are that any “updates” should be more of a dialogue. Is there something happening within the PDP that we need to know about? Is action from us required? Do they need something from us? Do they need something from the various SGs etc? I agree about duplication Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 28 August 2018 at 08:03 To: GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Dear Council colleagues, As we enter the final stretch of pre-ICANN63 planning I would like to do a bit of strategic thinking about how we prepare for PDP work in Barcelona. We have over the years tried two methods - devoting time in the Council weekend workshop to an update from each of our live PDPs, and the more recent alternative of a pre-public meeting GNSO policy webinar. There is also, I should add here for context, a broader ICANN policy webinar that occurs prior to public meetings in which the GNSO participates, as do other SO/ACs. The question here is how best/most useful/most efficient to update on our PDPs: on the ground in Barcelona, or advance by webinar? My principal feedback to staff to this point has been that while I think it's very helpful to have the updates before we hit the ground at a f2f, it seems to duplicate efforts to hold both a generic policy webinar and a GNSO specific policy webinar. Your thoughts very much appreciated! Heather

You blunt, dear colleague? Surely not... ;-). Agreed. From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 12:08 PM To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>; Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Marie Well I can be a little blunter. There’s no value in us all sitting through a 20 page slide deck with the entire history and background of a PDP and the policy that it’s dealing with. While that kind of information is useful it’s more suited to pre-reading etc., Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be<mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be>> Date: Tuesday 28 August 2018 at 11:04 To: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com<mailto:michele@blacknight.com>>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com>>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: RE: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Agree with you both. Updates are of course useful, but can be pre-meeting webinars/pre-reads/perhaps a 2 minute overview with one slide as an intro for the F2F. Then we need to know projected timelines, any issues/problems/blockages and everything Michele lists. We’re supposed to have an overview of process including concerns and of course we do have to meet physically as we’re supposed to help as well as represent! Thanks Marie From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:53 AM To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com>>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Heather My own thoughts are that any “updates” should be more of a dialogue. Is there something happening within the PDP that we need to know about? Is action from us required? Do they need something from us? Do they need something from the various SGs etc? I agree about duplication Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 28 August 2018 at 08:03 To: GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Dear Council colleagues, As we enter the final stretch of pre-ICANN63 planning I would like to do a bit of strategic thinking about how we prepare for PDP work in Barcelona. We have over the years tried two methods - devoting time in the Council weekend workshop to an update from each of our live PDPs, and the more recent alternative of a pre-public meeting GNSO policy webinar. There is also, I should add here for context, a broader ICANN policy webinar that occurs prior to public meetings in which the GNSO participates, as do other SO/ACs. The question here is how best/most useful/most efficient to update on our PDPs: on the ground in Barcelona, or advance by webinar? My principal feedback to staff to this point has been that while I think it's very helpful to have the updates before we hit the ground at a f2f, it seems to duplicate efforts to hold both a generic policy webinar and a GNSO specific policy webinar. Your thoughts very much appreciated! Heather

Thanks, Michele. For the recent pre-meeting GNSO Policy webinar, the following approach was used for the updates in an attempt to make them more useful for the Council and focused on dialogue by covering the following items: * Timeline * What are the current challenges and issues? * How can the Council and community assist? * What to expect at the upcoming ICANN meeting If this did not achieve the desired focus, we are of course happy to hear how this should be modified. For example, would it be helpful if the slides are shared in advance of the meeting, and the webinar itself is just focused on Q & A with the Council (and others that may be interested)? In relation to the Policy Update webinar do note that there is only limited time that can be spend on GNSO topics as the time is shared with updates from other SO/ACs, but it may be sufficient in combination with the GNSO Policy briefings that are published prior to every ICANN meeting? One difference is that the policy update webinar is staff led while the recent GNSO policy webinar was community led, with the PDP Chair(s) as the speakers. Whatever you decide, staff stands ready to adjust as needed to make sure you that the Council has the information it needs to perform its role as manager of the PDP. Best regards, Marika From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 04:07 To: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Marie Well I can be a little blunter. There’s no value in us all sitting through a 20 page slide deck with the entire history and background of a PDP and the policy that it’s dealing with. While that kind of information is useful it’s more suited to pre-reading etc., Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Marie Pattullo <marie.pattullo@aim.be> Date: Tuesday 28 August 2018 at 11:04 To: Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>, GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: RE: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Agree with you both. Updates are of course useful, but can be pre-meeting webinars/pre-reads/perhaps a 2 minute overview with one slide as an intro for the F2F. Then we need to know projected timelines, any issues/problems/blockages and everything Michele lists. We’re supposed to have an overview of process including concerns and of course we do have to meet physically as we’re supposed to help as well as represent! Thanks Marie From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:53 AM To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Heather My own thoughts are that any “updates” should be more of a dialogue. Is there something happening within the PDP that we need to know about? Is action from us required? Do they need something from us? Do they need something from the various SGs etc? I agree about duplication Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ [blacknight.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.blacknight.com_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=wKP5DsqnBbHbd6E1EAVpNC0izIlCljUHF6uR8kkComo&s=zz5XWP7O54josxAgvZYu1qXkW00RraXg6Pj6hExN9iE&e=> https://blacknight.blog/ [blacknight.blog]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=wKP5DsqnBbHbd6E1EAVpNC0izIlCljUHF6uR8kkComo&s=_2meeeiucShsM9hUZMl0kTv1VW3z91mOwzvyW5Qlwbk&e=> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ [michele.blog]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__michele.blog_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=wKP5DsqnBbHbd6E1EAVpNC0izIlCljUHF6uR8kkComo&s=4A1hJNWQsX4JYFEEatR2tRU8bVihJsswR20_3xMDy-k&e=> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ [ceo.hosting]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=wKP5DsqnBbHbd6E1EAVpNC0izIlCljUHF6uR8kkComo&s=djrtotzwlDy0oLQPtpTwvpdVsRFrTrZs1TCliWB1DKE&e=> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com<mailto:haforrestesq@gmail.com>> Date: Tuesday 28 August 2018 at 08:03 To: GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Dear Council colleagues, As we enter the final stretch of pre-ICANN63 planning I would like to do a bit of strategic thinking about how we prepare for PDP work in Barcelona. We have over the years tried two methods - devoting time in the Council weekend workshop to an update from each of our live PDPs, and the more recent alternative of a pre-public meeting GNSO policy webinar. There is also, I should add here for context, a broader ICANN policy webinar that occurs prior to public meetings in which the GNSO participates, as do other SO/ACs. The question here is how best/most useful/most efficient to update on our PDPs: on the ground in Barcelona, or advance by webinar? My principal feedback to staff to this point has been that while I think it's very helpful to have the updates before we hit the ground at a f2f, it seems to duplicate efforts to hold both a generic policy webinar and a GNSO specific policy webinar. Your thoughts very much appreciated! Heather

Agree. Short and sweet focusing on timelines and problems is best. Sometimes issues that need our attention get lost in the bedazzling amount of detail in these PDP updates – and sometime I fear (I hope irrationally) that it might be on purpose… From: council <council-bounces@gnso.icann.org> On Behalf Of philippe.fouquart@orange.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:58 AM To: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq@gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Thanks Heather, Regarding the scheduling and numbers of these “updates”, I tend to prefer to have the PDP update on-site. Certainly just a personal thing but the preceding week(s) tend to be crowded to both prepare for that meeting and do things for my day-to-day job I should be doing during that meeting week and have to squeeze into the preceding week(s) instead. My short time memory being what it is, for things that are not directly under the constituency’s radar or mine, it also makes things easier to have them closer to meeting people in-person. I actually registered for the generic policy webinars but I’m ashamed to say I missed most of those I subscribed to. I’m not giving up though… On substance, I agree with Michelle’s and Marie’s priorities on what an update to council should be. Regards, Philippe From: council [mailto:council-bounces@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Heather Forrest Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:03 AM To: GNSO Council List Subject: [council] PDP updates for ICANN63 Dear Council colleagues, As we enter the final stretch of pre-ICANN63 planning I would like to do a bit of strategic thinking about how we prepare for PDP work in Barcelona. We have over the years tried two methods - devoting time in the Council weekend workshop to an update from each of our live PDPs, and the more recent alternative of a pre-public meeting GNSO policy webinar. There is also, I should add here for context, a broader ICANN policy webinar that occurs prior to public meetings in which the GNSO participates, as do other SO/ACs. The question here is how best/most useful/most efficient to update on our PDPs: on the ground in Barcelona, or advance by webinar? My principal feedback to staff to this point has been that while I think it's very helpful to have the updates before we hit the ground at a f2f, it seems to duplicate efforts to hold both a generic policy webinar and a GNSO specific policy webinar. Your thoughts very much appreciated! Heather _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you. ________________________________ The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. If this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. Any tax advice contained in this email was not intended to be used, and cannot be used, by you (or any other taxpayer) to avoid penalties under applicable tax laws and regulations.