RE: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean? IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Councillors, FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better. I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official? I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget. If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so. Thanks, Stéphane
I would also be very interested in the number of people attending from ICANN staff/board and more importantly what the agenda is. I am a little hesitant about these types of meetings without knowing more information. Also, why does ICANN now believe it is important for the SO and AC chairs to "get to know each other"? Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:49 AM To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder Cc: GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean? IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC. Tim -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Councillors, FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better. I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official? I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget. If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so. Thanks, Stéphane
I don't think this is good for transparency. Yes, it's more cumbersome to work through meetings of the entire Council, but we all need to "meet and greet" the relevant players. So this is a note of personal opposition to ICANN's operating these meetings, even informal. --Wendy On 01/19/2011 11:49 AM, Tim Ruiz wrote:
Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean?
IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org>
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
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Thanks Tim, Wendy, Jeff for your comments. Just a few clarifications. This is being proposed by Rod. It is not the Chairs proposing. I'm sure there will be extra costs involved. Two extra days are bound to cost something. Also, I think it is unrealistic to imagine that the Chairs would be there solely in their own capacity. They are being invited as Chairs of their respective SOs and ACs in the first place, after all. But I agree they certainly should not be carrying any group message when they go. Plus we should bear in mind that this meeting will probably happen even if the GNSO is against it. So do we want to be the only ones not going? Anyway, I am glad this discussion is starting. I hope Staff can address the valid points you are all making. In the meantime, the message I am getting is that the Council does not want me to take part. Stéphane Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:49, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean?
IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org>
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
I think the message is a little bit different and I am not sure about the comment "this meeting will happen anyway." If the GNSO does not like the idea of this happening, then yes, you should not go as the Chair of the SO. In addition, a message should be sent to Rod and the ICANN Board with the GNSO's view on these types of meeting and that some in the community do not believe this helps with accountability and transparency. Its hard to justify having us all complain to the ICANN Board about a non-open and transparent GAC meeting on new TLDs, but in the same vein agreeing to a non-open and transparent SO/AC Chairs meeting with ICANN staff. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:10 PM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Thanks Tim, Wendy, Jeff for your comments. Just a few clarifications. This is being proposed by Rod. It is not the Chairs proposing. I'm sure there will be extra costs involved. Two extra days are bound to cost something. Also, I think it is unrealistic to imagine that the Chairs would be there solely in their own capacity. They are being invited as Chairs of their respective SOs and ACs in the first place, after all. But I agree they certainly should not be carrying any group message when they go. Plus we should bear in mind that this meeting will probably happen even if the GNSO is against it. So do we want to be the only ones not going? Anyway, I am glad this discussion is starting. I hope Staff can address the valid points you are all making. In the meantime, the message I am getting is that the Council does not want me to take part. Stéphane Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:49, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean?
IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org>
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
While I think it's generally a good idea for the various SO and AC Chairs to have opportunities to get to know each other (and therefore work together) better, I'd like to know more about the purpose of this particular meeting before agreeing (or not). In particular, why two days and what is planned in terms of agenda, outcomes etc. - I'm assuming it's more than just a social "meet-greet-and-informal chat". If this meeting does go forward, then I agree with others that it ought to be recorded and/or transcribed, and a summary/report provided to each of the ACs and SOs (well, we can't tell the other groups what to do so at the very least the GNSO ought to have such a summary/report provided). Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To:Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, TimRuiz <tim@godaddy.com> CC:GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 1/19/2011 12:28 PM Subject: RE: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF I think the message is a little bit different and I am not sure about the comment "this meeting will happen anyway." If the GNSO does not like the idea of this happening, then yes, you should not go as the Chair of the SO. In addition, a message should be sent to Rod and the ICANN Board with the GNSO's view on these types of meeting and that some in the community do not believe this helps with accountability and transparency. Its hard to justify having us all complain to the ICANN Board about a non-open and transparent GAC meeting on new TLDs, but in the same vein agreeing to a non-open and transparent SO/AC Chairs meeting with ICANN staff. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:10 PM To: Tim Ruiz Cc: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Thanks Tim, Wendy, Jeff for your comments. Just a few clarifications. This is being proposed by Rod. It is not the Chairs proposing. I'm sure there will be extra costs involved. Two extra days are bound to cost something. Also, I think it is unrealistic to imagine that the Chairs would be there solely in their own capacity. They are being invited as Chairs of their respective SOs and ACs in the first place, after all. But I agree they certainly should not be carrying any group message when they go. Plus we should bear in mind that this meeting will probably happen even if the GNSO is against it. So do we want to be the only ones not going? Anyway, I am glad this discussion is starting. I hope Staff can address the valid points you are all making. In the meantime, the message I am getting is that the Council does not want me to take part. Stéphane Le 19 janv. 2011 à 17:49, Tim Ruiz a écrit :
Two days for an informal meet and greet? There must be some other agenda. And what does negligible mean?
IMHO, if the Chairs want to make a date and show up early to chat, etc. that's fine with me as long as 1) there is no additional cost to ICANN, meaning ZERO, and 2) it is understood that they are there in their own capacity and not acting on behalf of their SO/AC.
Tim
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF From: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Wed, January 19, 2011 9:50 am To: GNSO Council <council@gnso.icann.org>
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
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Hi On Jan 19, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Mary Wong wrote:
If this meeting does go forward, then I agree with others that it ought to be recorded and/or transcribed, and a summary/report provided to each of the ACs and SOs
As do I. Best, Bill
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