Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Hi James, Thanks for this. Remarks in line.
(1) Do we prefer a Single or Split Constituency Day?
No preference. I would like to highlight a problem for NCSG Councillors though. We represent the members of two constituencies - NPOC and NCUC - on Council. Meetings of these constituencies are held at the same time making it impossible for us to attend both meetings of the constituencies whose members we represent on Council. If consideration could be given to somehow scheduling Constituency meetings so these two groups do not completely overlap I would be grateful. It would make it easier at least for this Councillor to feel he is adequately representing all those he is charged to represent on Council.
(2) What is the right number of High Interest Topics (HIT)? The current Block Schedule drafts contain five HIT sessions.
One. At most. HIT's belong at the IGF and other fora. If there are burning issues directly involving ICANN and ICANN policy that masses of ICANN meeting attendees are interested in learning about and discussing fine. I just don't think this happens very often. The A and C meetings are too long. Events that are not directly tied to policy making and the functioning of our California based public benefits corporation should be reduced with an eye towards elimination.
(3) Any thoughts on the best way to solicit topics for HIT sessions, and how to choose the top 5?
Open call with attention paid to the number of requests for certain topics. High interest should, well, mean that there is high interest in a topic by a large number of community members.
(4) Similarly, any thoughts on how to address the inevitable conflicts between working sessions and HITs?
If HIT's are to continue then I would suggest they should be of sufficient interest that attendees would want to attend the sessions in lieu of other nonessential activities. I would thus schedule HIT's, based upon the Hyberabad meeting, in the 18:30 and beyond time slots. Competition would largely, although not exclusively, be cocktail receptions and other optional activities rather than sessions directly related to the functioning of the corporation.
(5) Any other specific feedback you’d like us to bring to the SO/AC meeting
I am concerned that private trade associations such as the Domain Name Association were able to schedule sessions under the auspices of ICANN SG's. I would suggest this practice be prohibited before it proliferates. I have already had inquiries from NCSG institutional members concerning their desire and ability to hold similar meetings at ICANN using ICANN hosted facilities and resources. We need to stop this practice now before it wreaks havoc on our meeting schedules. I would also like to echo a comment made earlier by Ruebens: when in doubt please make meeting A a more like meeting B than like meeting C. I would go so far as to suggest we actually make meeting A exactly like meeting B and have only have one large non policy focused (the AGM) meeting a year. Ed
Please respond by next week with your ideas, and we’ll take them back to the planning group. Thanks—
J. <ICANN58 Block Schedule_ProdTimeline_Nov16[3].pdf>
Best recommendation ever based on the Helsinki experience
I would also like to echo a comment made earlier by Ruebens: when in doubt please make meeting A a more like meeting B than like meeting C. I would go so far as to suggest we actually make meeting A exactly like meeting B and have only have one large non policy focused (the AGM) meeting a year.
Ed
(and keep the two yearly “short” policy meetings rotating over standard ICANN hubs) Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
Please respond by next week with your ideas, and we’ll take them back to the planning group. Thanks—
J. <ICANN58 Block Schedule_ProdTimeline_Nov16[3].pdf>
Carlos Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845
I would classify these 50 locations as being hubs (although not ICANN hubs): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic> Let's see what that analysis would give for past and future meeting locations: Nairobi - no Brussels - no Cartagena - no San Francisco - yes Singapore - yes Dakar - no San Jose(CR) - no Prague - no Toronto - yes Beijing - yes Durban - no Buenos Aires - no Singapore - yes London - yes Los Angeles - yes Singapore - yes Buenos Aires - no Dublin - yes Marrakech - no Helsinki - no Hyderabad - no Copenhagen - no Johannesburg - no (even though being the busiest airport in Africa) Abu Dhabi - no (but Dubai is) San Juan (PR) - no Panama - no Barcelona - yes Note that Carlos is also suggesting an inversion: using AGM instead of Policy Forum to go where no ICANN'er has gone before. Rubens
On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
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ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for). Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845
Carlos Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Random Stuff: http://michele.irish ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for). Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blacknight.blog/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region. I don’t agree, but that was their finding. Thanks – J. On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: Carlos Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Random Stuff: http://michele.irish ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for). Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blacknight.blog/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded. Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Random Stuff: http://michele.irish ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blacknight.blog/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Ah, ok. Sorry for misunderstanding. I don’t know if this was considered by the MSWG, but perhaps we can ask our Staff folks to check in to it. Thanks – J. On 11/28/16, 22:16 , "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded. Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote: > Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea > of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from > smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN > would be permanently absent from their region. > > I don’t agree, but that was their finding. > > Thanks – > > J. > > On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" > <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: > > Carlos > > Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. > That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. > > Regards > > Michele > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blacknight.blog/ > http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage > http://www.technology.ie > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > Social: http://mneylon.social > Random Stuff: http://michele.irish > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." > <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: > > ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. > > I assume that those places are central located in terms of > airlines > logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, > facilites, > etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A > recent > meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many > ICANN staff > members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places > to meet, > particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy > Format > calls for). > > Cheers > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) > On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: > > > Carlos > > > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > > > Regards > > > > Michele > > > > > > -- > > Mr Michele Neylon > > Blacknight Solutions > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > http://www.blacknight.host/ > > http://blacknight.blog/ > > http://ceo.hosting/ > > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > > ------------------------------- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside > Business > > Park,Sleaty > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Hi Carlos While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established. Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation. Donna -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded. Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Hi, And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better. Thanks. Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845
Absolutely. Altho I’d love to see some data that correlates attendance at an ICANN meeting with an uptick in new volunteer participation. We’ve often heard the CEO or Chair announce (in London, and most recently Hyderabad) that the current ICANN meeting is the “largest in its history.” But I haven’t yet seen where overall attendance translates in to a deeper pool of volunteers for policy work. Thanks – J. On 11/29/16, 12:43 , "owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Amr Elsadr" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: Hi, And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better. Thanks. Amr > On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote: > > > Hi Carlos > > While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. > > Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established. > > Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf > > The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation. > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM > To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> > Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 > > > Thank you James. > But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy > (short) Meetings. > Don´t know if this was also discarded. > > Cheers > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) > On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote: > >> Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea >> of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller >> and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be >> permanently absent from their region. >> >> I don’t agree, but that was their finding. >> >> Thanks – >> >> J. >> >> On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" >> <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: >> >> Carlos >> >> Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. >> That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.press&d=D... - get our latest news & media coverage >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Social: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... >> Random Stuff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >> Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >> <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: >> >> ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. >> >> I assume that those places are central located in terms of >> airlines >> logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, >> facilites, >> etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A >> recent >> meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many >> ICANN staff >> members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places >> to meet, >> particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy >> Format >> calls for). >> >> Cheers >> >> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >> +506 8837 7176 >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >> On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> >>> Carlos >>> >>> Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michele >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mr Michele Neylon >>> Blacknight Solutions >>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... >>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>> ------------------------------- >>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside >> Business >>> Park,Sleaty >>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, >>> Ireland Company No.: 370845
Hi James, I don’t think this is exactly what you’re looking for, but last year, ICANN’s Development and Public Responsibility Department conducted a survey among Fellowship Program alumni, which I thought had some interesting findings, particularly on why Fellows may find it difficult to keep up in participation: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fellowship-alumni-survey-results.... I hope you find it helpful. Thanks. Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:18 PM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Absolutely.
Altho I’d love to see some data that correlates attendance at an ICANN meeting with an uptick in new volunteer participation. We’ve often heard the CEO or Chair announce (in London, and most recently Hyderabad) that the current ICANN meeting is the “largest in its history.” But I haven’t yet seen where overall attendance translates in to a deeper pool of volunteers for policy work.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/29/16, 12:43 , "owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Amr Elsadr" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi,
And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.press&d=D... - get our latest news & media coverage https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... Random Stuff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845
Apologies…, this was actually two years ago, not last year. Thanks. Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi James,
I don’t think this is exactly what you’re looking for, but last year, ICANN’s Development and Public Responsibility Department conducted a survey among Fellowship Program alumni, which I thought had some interesting findings, particularly on why Fellows may find it difficult to keep up in participation: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fellowship-alumni-survey-results....
I hope you find it helpful.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:18 PM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Absolutely.
Altho I’d love to see some data that correlates attendance at an ICANN meeting with an uptick in new volunteer participation. We’ve often heard the CEO or Chair announce (in London, and most recently Hyderabad) that the current ICANN meeting is the “largest in its history.” But I haven’t yet seen where overall attendance translates in to a deeper pool of volunteers for policy work.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/29/16, 12:43 , "owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Amr Elsadr" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi,
And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.press&d=D... - get our latest news & media coverage https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... Random Stuff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, Ireland Company No.: 370845
Still useful info, tho. Thanks for sending. Thanks – J. On 11/29/16, 13:52 , "Amr Elsadr" <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: Apologies…, this was actually two years ago, not last year. Thanks. Amr > On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: > > Hi James, > > I don’t think this is exactly what you’re looking for, but last year, ICANN’s Development and Public Responsibility Department conducted a survey among Fellowship Program alumni, which I thought had some interesting findings, particularly on why Fellows may find it difficult to keep up in participation: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fellowship-alumni-survey-results.... > > I hope you find it helpful. > > Thanks. > > Amr > >> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:18 PM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote: >> >> >> Absolutely. >> >> Altho I’d love to see some data that correlates attendance at an ICANN meeting with an uptick in new volunteer participation. We’ve often heard the CEO or Chair announce (in London, and most recently Hyderabad) that the current ICANN meeting is the “largest in its history.” But I haven’t yet seen where overall attendance translates in to a deeper pool of volunteers for policy work. >> >> Thanks – >> >> J. >> >> On 11/29/16, 12:43 , "owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Amr Elsadr" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Amr >> >>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Carlos >>> >>> While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. >>> >>> Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established. >>> >>> Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf >>> >>> The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation. >>> >>> Donna >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. >>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM >>> To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> >>> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> >>> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 >>> >>> >>> Thank you James. >>> But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy >>> (short) Meetings. >>> Don´t know if this was also discarded. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >>> +506 8837 7176 >>> Skype: carlos.raulg >>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote: >>> >>>> Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea >>>> of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller >>>> and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be >>>> permanently absent from their region. >>>> >>>> I don’t agree, but that was their finding. >>>> >>>> Thanks – >>>> >>>> J. >>>> >>>> On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" >>>> <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Carlos >>>> >>>> Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. >>>> That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Michele >>>> -- >>>> Mr Michele Neylon >>>> Blacknight Solutions >>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.press&d=D... - get our latest news & media coverage >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... >>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>>> Social: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... >>>> Random Stuff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >>>> Park,Sleaty >>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >>>> >>>> On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >>>> <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. >>>> >>>> I assume that those places are central located in terms of >>>> airlines >>>> logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, >>>> facilites, >>>> etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A >>>> recent >>>> meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many >>>> ICANN staff >>>> members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places >>>> to meet, >>>> particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy >>>> Format >>>> calls for). >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >>>> +506 8837 7176 >>>> Skype: carlos.raulg >>>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >>>> On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>> Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Michele >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mr Michele Neylon >>>>> Blacknight Solutions >>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... >>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside >>>> Business >>>>> Park,Sleaty >>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, >>>>> Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> >> >> >> >
Dear James, Helsinki set a new standard in CCWG-PDP efficiency and we should aim for something like that all meetings (for the benefit of the GNSO in particular) Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 13:18, James M. Bladel wrote:
Absolutely.
Altho I’d love to see some data that correlates attendance at an ICANN meeting with an uptick in new volunteer participation. We’ve often heard the CEO or Chair announce (in London, and most recently Hyderabad) that the current ICANN meeting is the “largest in its history.” But I haven’t yet seen where overall attendance translates in to a deeper pool of volunteers for policy work.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/29/16, 12:43 , "owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of Amr Elsadr" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org on behalf of aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi,
And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better.
Thanks.
Amr
> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote: > > > Hi Carlos > > While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. > > Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established. > > Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf > > The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation. > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM > To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> > Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 > > > Thank you James. > But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy > (short) Meetings. > Don´t know if this was also discarded. > > Cheers > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) > On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote: > >> Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea >> of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller >> and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be >> permanently absent from their region. >> >> I don’t agree, but that was their finding. >> >> Thanks – >> >> J. >> >> On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" >> <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: >> >> Carlos >> >> Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. >> That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.press&d=D... - get our latest news & media coverage >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Social: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... >> Random Stuff: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >> Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >> <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: >> >> ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. >> >> I assume that those places are central located in terms of >> airlines >> logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, >> facilites, >> etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A >> recent >> meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many >> ICANN staff >> members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places >> to meet, >> particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy >> Format >> calls for). >> >> Cheers >> >> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >> +506 8837 7176 >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >> On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> >>> Carlos >>> >>> Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michele >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mr Michele Neylon >>> Blacknight Solutions >>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... >>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >>> ------------------------------- >>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside >> Business >>> Park,Sleaty >>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, >>> Ireland Company No.: 370845
Dear Amr, if we want to make both Lac and Africa profit from PDP development (which I would greatly support), we should be meeting in the Canary Islands or the Azores for the benefit of both sides. Cheers Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:43, Amr Elsadr wrote:
Hi,
And if holding meeting B in Africa and LAC encourages stakeholders from those regions to engage with the GNSO’s PDP, then all the better.
Thanks.
Amr
On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Carlos
Which locations would you see as being “hubs”?
Regards
Michele
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Dear Donna, I´m aware of the background and the great design work based on past experience. But I just have to say that the new meeting meeting ‘strategy’ was largely designed to pelase everybody and before we could measure the impact of the new empowered community CCWGs, overlapping AoC reviews, and 1000+ new gTLDs and GDD exclusive gatherings, which require an increasing number of small meetings along the year at great cost and expense. Having said that, I must confess that Helsinki was a great surprise in “policy-efficiency” and reduced non-sense I would like to emulate as far as possible. Looking forward, we should take the best of the new meetings format (and forget such ones as Hyderabad). Nobody said we can keep improving. Lets hope for an ICANN58 where we can work effectively. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:32, Austin, Donna wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/meetings-proposal-02oct12-en.pdf
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
I agree 100% -- let's have two policy meetings a year and one AGM with bells and whistles. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:58 AM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> Cc: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 Dear Donna, I´m aware of the background and the great design work based on past experience. But I just have to say that the new meeting meeting ‘strategy’ was largely designed to pelase everybody and before we could measure the impact of the new empowered community CCWGs, overlapping AoC reviews, and 1000+ new gTLDs and GDD exclusive gatherings, which require an increasing number of small meetings along the year at great cost and expense. Having said that, I must confess that Helsinki was a great surprise in “policy-efficiency” and reduced non-sense I would like to emulate as far as possible. Looking forward, we should take the best of the new meetings format (and forget such ones as Hyderabad). Nobody said we can keep improving. Lets hope for an ICANN58 where we can work effectively. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:32, Austin, Donna wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_ system_files_files_meetings-2Dproposal-2D02oct12-2Den.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=M OptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQiPHEqv4TL7JH87w&m= yA8iJGrUhu-hw5NhgxHt3EdCjsUkyvV5bP20-TWqVuM&s=VjxwKKLRyU0NB1BxRKcSSn4e jJsmlDbbj4MD-FjZHzs&e=
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
My two cents .. If something is working don’t break it, but if it’s not working then we should fix it. We’ve had one year of the new meeting strategy and strengths and weaknesses have been identified. Also, as Carlos points out, the strategy was designed in “another” reality, so maybe it isn’t a terrible idea to tweak.. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog / http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 29/11/2016, 20:03, "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote: I agree 100% -- let's have two policy meetings a year and one AGM with bells and whistles. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:58 AM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> Cc: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 Dear Donna, I´m aware of the background and the great design work based on past experience. But I just have to say that the new meeting meeting ‘strategy’ was largely designed to pelase everybody and before we could measure the impact of the new empowered community CCWGs, overlapping AoC reviews, and 1000+ new gTLDs and GDD exclusive gatherings, which require an increasing number of small meetings along the year at great cost and expense. Having said that, I must confess that Helsinki was a great surprise in “policy-efficiency” and reduced non-sense I would like to emulate as far as possible. Looking forward, we should take the best of the new meetings format (and forget such ones as Hyderabad). Nobody said we can keep improving. Lets hope for an ICANN58 where we can work effectively. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:32, Austin, Donna wrote: > Hi Carlos > > While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the > smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN > to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC > regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. > > Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group > (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub > locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting > Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal > was rejected and the MSWG was established. > > Nick's proposal is available at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_ > system_files_files_meetings-2Dproposal-2D02oct12-2Den.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=M > OptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQiPHEqv4TL7JH87w&m= > yA8iJGrUhu-hw5NhgxHt3EdCjsUkyvV5bP20-TWqVuM&s=VjxwKKLRyU0NB1BxRKcSSn4e > jJsmlDbbj4MD-FjZHzs&e= > > The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to > continue regional rotation. > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org > [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl > Gutiérrez G. > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM > To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> > Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward > Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List > <council@gnso.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 > > > Thank you James. > But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy > (short) Meetings. > Don´t know if this was also discarded. > > Cheers > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James > M. Bladel wrote: > >> Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea >> of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller >> and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be >> permanently absent from their region. >> >> I don’t agree, but that was their finding. >> >> Thanks – >> >> J. >> >> On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" >> <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: >> >> Carlos >> >> Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. >> That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.pr >> ess&d=DgIDaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQi >> PHEqv4TL7JH87w&m=obnrvP7RV_mivUaQVS4a9cHatG2L8sNQp2_1kIwp_sE&s=ye6GDL >> CGmvX5nyK-bXlJtz8HhIyjwJ2v_iVtg7en5ZE&e= >> - get our latest news & media coverage >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Social: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... >> Random Stuff: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >> Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >> <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: >> >> ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. >> >> I assume that those places are central located in terms of >> airlines >> logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, >> facilites, >> etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A >> recent >> meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many >> ICANN staff >> members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places >> to meet, >> particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy >> Format >> calls for). >> >> Cheers >> >> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >> +506 8837 7176 >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >> On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> >> > Carlos >> > >> > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Michele >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mr Michele Neylon >> > Blacknight Solutions >> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... >> > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> > ------------------------------- >> > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside >> Business >> > Park,Sleaty >> > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, >> > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Thanks Donna! The present PDD workload fully justifies a timeline of 2 policy meetings per year for at least 2017 and 2018! Let´s be creative to include efficient quality time during Policy meetings for AoC reviews and CCWGs in the same 4 day framework (so far those smaller meetings not being integral part of the “new strategy”) and the payback in terms of volunteers time and ICANN´s resources would be amazing!!!! Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 14:03, Austin, Donna wrote:
I agree 100% -- let's have two policy meetings a year and one AGM with bells and whistles.
-----Original Message----- From: Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:58 AM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> Cc: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Dear Donna,
I´m aware of the background and the great design work based on past experience.
But I just have to say that the new meeting meeting ‘strategy’ was largely designed to pelase everybody and before we could measure the impact of the new empowered community CCWGs, overlapping AoC reviews, and 1000+ new gTLDs and GDD exclusive gatherings, which require an increasing number of small meetings along the year at great cost and expense.
Having said that, I must confess that Helsinki was a great surprise in “policy-efficiency” and reduced non-sense I would like to emulate as far as possible. Looking forward, we should take the best of the new meetings format (and forget such ones as Hyderabad). Nobody said we can keep improving.
Lets hope for an ICANN58 where we can work effectively.
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:32, Austin, Donna wrote:
Hi Carlos
While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings.
Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal was rejected and the MSWG was established.
Nick's proposal is available at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_ system_files_files_meetings-2Dproposal-2D02oct12-2Den.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=M OptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQiPHEqv4TL7JH87w&m= yA8iJGrUhu-hw5NhgxHt3EdCjsUkyvV5bP20-TWqVuM&s=VjxwKKLRyU0NB1BxRKcSSn4e jJsmlDbbj4MD-FjZHzs&e=
The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to continue regional rotation.
Donna
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58
Thank you James. But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy (short) Meetings. Don´t know if this was also discarded.
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James M. Bladel wrote:
Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be permanently absent from their region.
I don’t agree, but that was their finding.
Thanks –
J.
On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Carlos
Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective.
Regards
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On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore.
I assume that those places are central located in terms of airlines logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, facilites, etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A recent meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many ICANN staff members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places to meet, particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy Format calls for).
Cheers
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Carlos > > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? > > Regards > > Michele > > > -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business > Park,Sleaty > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, > Ireland Company No.: 370845
Love this idea. Thanks – J. On 11/29/16, 14:03 , "Austin, Donna" <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> wrote: I agree 100% -- let's have two policy meetings a year and one AGM with bells and whistles. -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. [mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:58 AM To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin@neustar.biz> Cc: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 Dear Donna, I´m aware of the background and the great design work based on past experience. But I just have to say that the new meeting meeting ‘strategy’ was largely designed to pelase everybody and before we could measure the impact of the new empowered community CCWGs, overlapping AoC reviews, and 1000+ new gTLDs and GDD exclusive gatherings, which require an increasing number of small meetings along the year at great cost and expense. Having said that, I must confess that Helsinki was a great surprise in “policy-efficiency” and reduced non-sense I would like to emulate as far as possible. Looking forward, we should take the best of the new meetings format (and forget such ones as Hyderabad). Nobody said we can keep improving. Lets hope for an ICANN58 where we can work effectively. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 Skype: carlos.raulg Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 29 Nov 2016, at 12:32, Austin, Donna wrote: > Hi Carlos > > While your suggestion makes perfect sense the reality is that the > smaller meeting B, ie Policy Meetings, were designed to enable ICANN > to host meetings in locations predominately in the African and LAC > regions that can no longer host the larger ICANN meetings. > > Prior to the establishment of the Meeting Strategy Working Group > (MSWG), Nick Tomasso published a proposal suggesting that hub > locations be used, although Nick called them Consolidated Meeting > Locations, and adjusted the rotation through regions. Nick's proposal > was rejected and the MSWG was established. > > Nick's proposal is available at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_ > system_files_files_meetings-2Dproposal-2D02oct12-2Den.pdf&d=DgIFaQ&c=M > OptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQiPHEqv4TL7JH87w&m= > yA8iJGrUhu-hw5NhgxHt3EdCjsUkyvV5bP20-TWqVuM&s=VjxwKKLRyU0NB1BxRKcSSn4e > jJsmlDbbj4MD-FjZHzs&e= > > The MSWG also discussed the idea of hubs as well but agreed to > continue regional rotation. > > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org > [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Raúl > Gutiérrez G. > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2016 8:16 PM > To: James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> > Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com>; Edward > Morris <egmorris1@toast.net>; GNSO Council List > <council@gnso.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [council] Preliminary planning for ICANN58 > > > Thank you James. > But here we are working on the 2nd derivative: ICANN hubs for Policy > (short) Meetings. > Don´t know if this was also discarded. > > Cheers > > Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez > +506 8837 7176 > Skype: carlos.raulg > Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) On 28 Nov 2016, at 20:34, James > M. Bladel wrote: > >> Just a note that the Meeting Strategy Working Group examined the idea >> of “rotating hubs”, and rejected them. Mostly by folks from smaller >> and/or more distant locations who were concerned that ICANN would be >> permanently absent from their region. >> >> I don’t agree, but that was their finding. >> >> Thanks – >> >> J. >> >> On 11/28/16, 11:59 , "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" >> <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: >> >> Carlos >> >> Ah ok, so the ICANN hubs. >> That makes a lot of sense from a cost and logistics perspective. >> >> Regards >> >> Michele >> -- >> Mr Michele Neylon >> Blacknight Solutions >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.pr >> ess&d=DgIDaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=4A3LwUUER9_CePZ11QJsr56eryGQi >> PHEqv4TL7JH87w&m=obnrvP7RV_mivUaQVS4a9cHatG2L8sNQp2_1kIwp_sE&s=ye6GDL >> CGmvX5nyK-bXlJtz8HhIyjwJ2v_iVtg7en5ZE&e= >> - get our latest news & media coverage >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.technology.ie&d=DgID... >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> Social: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mneylon.social&d=DgIDaQ&... >> Random Stuff: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__michele.irish&d=DgIDaQ&c... >> ------------------------------- >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business >> Park,Sleaty >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 >> >> On 28/11/2016, 11:33, "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." >> <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote: >> >> ICANN hubs: LA, Istambul and Singapore. >> >> I assume that those places are central located in terms of >> airlines >> logistics, already have a minimum of ICANN staff available, >> facilites, >> etc. and would greatly reduce the cost to set up meetings (A >> recent >> meeting of the CCT-RT in Washington DC had to fly in as many >> ICANN staff >> members as RT members, which calls for more reasonable places >> to meet, >> particularly for mainle “working” meetings like the Policy >> Format >> calls for). >> >> Cheers >> >> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez >> +506 8837 7176 >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica) >> On 26 Nov 2016, at 10:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote: >> >> > Carlos >> > >> > Which locations would you see as being “hubs”? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Michele >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mr Michele Neylon >> > Blacknight Solutions >> > Hosting, Colocation & Domains >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blacknight.host_&d=D... >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blacknight.blog_&d=DgIDa... >> > >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ceo.hosting_&d=DgIDaQ&c=... >> > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 >> > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >> > ------------------------------- >> > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside >> Business >> > Park,Sleaty >> > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265, >> > Ireland Company No.: 370845
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