Interesting. Sorry for Amman! Best regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von David Olive Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2011 16:41 An: Adrian Kinderis; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore Adrian and Council Members: The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change. In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting . Regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611 From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore The latest rumours are that we'll be heading to Singapore next folks given the "unrest" in the Middle East. Adrian Kinderis

Hi Rafik, I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment. It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action. It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change. I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here... Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi David,

how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it.

Regards

Rafik Dammak Twitter: @rafik Linkedin: http://tn.linkedin.com/in/rafikdammak

2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive@icann.org> Adrian and Council Members:

The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change.

In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting .

Regards, David

David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611

From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East.

Adrian Kinderis

Rafik, My comments are made on a personal basis. Deaths and constant upheaval in my opinion is sufficient reason to move the meeting to a place without such conflicts. Don’t you agree? As for transparency: what is more transparent than the media coverage these incidents are getting? Jaime Wagner jaime@powerself.com.br Direto (51) 3219-5955 Cel (51) 8126-0916 Geral (51) 3233-3551 DDG: 0800-703-6366 <http://www.powerself.com.br/> www.powerself.com.br De: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Em nome de Rafik Dammak Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 15:28 Para: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: David Olive; Adrian Kinderis; council@gnso.icann.org Assunto: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore Hi Stephane, well I didn't know that a councilor sending email to GNSO list means that I am talking on behalf of GNSO council, did I miss something? I think that I has the right to question about the process and how the decision was made, are you denying this to me, Stephane? transparent? it started with rumor and just got the info by surprise, I guess that we may have different definition of transparency? finally, I think that I can still make any assertions and acting freely especially when there is no any given reasons and explanations, I think that I didn't infringe rules and I express my concern in appropriate way. Regards Rafik 2011/2/18 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Hi Rafik, I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment. It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action. It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change. I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here... Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi David, how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it. Regards Rafik Dammak Twitter: @rafik Linkedin: http://tn.linkedin.com/in/rafikdammak 2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive@icann.org> Adrian and Council Members: The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change. In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting . Regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611 From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East. Adrian Kinderis

We have this game regularly - when there was the terrible "Bali bombings" in Indonesia, some people were warned NOT to travel to Cambodia, etc. etc... Norbert Klein Phnom Penh / CAMBODIA -------- Original-Nachricht --------

Datum: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 07:29:48 +0900 Von: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> An: Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf <jaime@powerself.com.br> CC: council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

Hi Jaime,

easy question, what media coverage are you you talking about for the case of Jordan?if you are referring to other Arab countries unrest, that would be an interesting way of reasoning.

Regards

Rafik

2011/2/18 Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf <jaime@powerself.com.br>

...

Rafik,

My comments are made on a personal basis.

Deaths and constant upheaval in my opinion is sufficient reason to move the meeting to a place without such conflicts. Don’t you agree?

As for transparency: what is more transparent than the media coverage these incidents are getting?

*Jaime Wagner*

*jaime@powerself.com.br *Direto (51) 3219-5955 Cel (51) 8126-0916

Geral (51) 3233-3551 DDG: 0800-703-6366

www.powerself.com.br

*De:* owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] *Em nome de *Rafik Dammak *Enviada em:* quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 15:28 *Para:* Stéphane Van Gelder *Cc:* David Olive; Adrian Kinderis; council@gnso.icann.org *Assunto:* Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

Hi Stephane,

well I didn't know that a councilor sending email to GNSO list means that I am talking on behalf of GNSO council, did I miss something?

I think that I has the right to question about the process and how the decision was made, are you denying this to me, Stephane?

transparent? it started with rumor and just got the info by surprise, I guess that we may have different definition of transparency?

finally, I think that I can still make any assertions and acting freely especially when there is no any given reasons and explanations, I think that I didn't infringe rules and I express my concern in appropriate way.

Regards

Rafik

2011/2/18 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>

Hi Rafik,

I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment.

It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action.

It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change.

I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here...

Stéphane

Envoyé de mon iPhone4

Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi David,

how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it.

Regards

Rafik Dammak

Twitter: @rafik

Linkedin: http://tn.linkedin.com/in/rafikdammak

2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive@icann.org>

Adrian and Council Members:

The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change.

In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting .

Regards, David

David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611

*From: *Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> *Date: *Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 *To: *"council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> *Subject: *[council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East.

*Adrian Kinderis*

Cutting away to what I think was a fundamental point of Rafik's original email - I'm hopeful that the announcement and additional information ICANN plans to publish about the venue change will address concerns and likely dismay amongst ICANN participants (especially newer ones) from the Middle East about the decision to switch. I agree that announcing the decision earlier rather than later is a good thing, but I think we'll all agree that making known the reasons for and considerations behind such a decision is also important in view of ICANN's commitment to a global and diverse community. I suggest we hold our questions until we get the formal announcement and additional information. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> CC:David Olive <david.olive@icann.org>, Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au>, "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 2/17/2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore Hi Rafik, I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment. It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action. It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change. I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here... Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi David, how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it. Regards Rafik Dammak Twitter: @rafik Linkedin: http://tn.linkedin.com/in/rafikdammak 2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive@icann.org> Adrian and Council Members: The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change. In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting . Regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611 From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East. Adrian Kinderis As of August 30, 2010, Franklin Pierce Law Center has affiliated with the University of New Hampshire and is now known as the University of New Hampshire School of Law. Please note that all e-mail addresses have changed and now follow the convention: firstname.lastname@law.unh.edu. For more information on the University of New Hampshire School of Law, please visit law.unh.edu