We had here in Brazil news of social unrest in Jordan specifically. It’s true that these were not persistent as the ones in Lybia, but...better safe than sorry. Jaime Wagner jaime@powerself.com.br Direto (51) 3219-5955 Cel (51) 8126-0916 Geral (51) 3233-3551 DDG: 0800-703-6366 <http://www.powerself.com.br/> www.powerself.com.br De: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com] Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 20:30 Para: Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Assunto: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore Hi Jaime, easy question, what media coverage are you you talking about for the case of Jordan?if you are referring to other Arab countries unrest, that would be an interesting way of reasoning. Regards Rafik 2011/2/18 Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf <jaime@powerself.com.br> Rafik, My comments are made on a personal basis. Deaths and constant upheaval in my opinion is sufficient reason to move the meeting to a place without such conflicts. Don’t you agree? As for transparency: what is more transparent than the media coverage these incidents are getting? Jaime Wagner jaime@powerself.com.br Direto (51) 3219-5955 Cel (51) 8126-0916 Geral (51) 3233-3551 DDG: 0800-703-6366 <http://www.powerself.com.br/> www.powerself.com.br De: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Em nome de Rafik Dammak Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 15:28 Para: Stéphane Van Gelder Cc: David Olive; Adrian Kinderis; council@gnso.icann.org Assunto: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore Hi Stephane, well I didn't know that a councilor sending email to GNSO list means that I am talking on behalf of GNSO council, did I miss something? I think that I has the right to question about the process and how the decision was made, are you denying this to me, Stephane? transparent? it started with rumor and just got the info by surprise, I guess that we may have different definition of transparency? finally, I think that I can still make any assertions and acting freely especially when there is no any given reasons and explanations, I think that I didn't infringe rules and I express my concern in appropriate way. Regards Rafik 2011/2/18 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Hi Rafik, I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment. It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action. It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change. I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here... Stéphane Envoyé de mon iPhone4 Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> a écrit : Hi David, how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it. Regards Rafik Dammak Twitter: @rafik Linkedin: http://tn.linkedin.com/in/rafikdammak 2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive@icann.org> Adrian and Council Members: The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan. A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change. In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting . Regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611 From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@ausregistry.com.au> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800 To: "council@gnso.icann.org" <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East. Adrian Kinderis