SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Councillors, FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better. I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official? I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget. If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so. Thanks, Stéphane
Stéphane, I personally don't have anything against these type of meetings helping to improve the future communication between the AC/Sos. On the one hand 2 days seem a bit long for that purpose. On the other hand during these days short ly before the ICANN meeting the council needs your "presence, too, since by experience the council discussion on agenda items, motions etc. is getting more and more momentum. Please take this into consideration and let the organizers know. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2011 16:51 An: GNSO Council Betreff: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Councillors, FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better. I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official? I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget. If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so. Thanks, Stéphane
Thanks Wolf. My personal opinion is that it's a mistake for the GNSO to exclude itself from this kind of meeting. In any community and environment, building relationships between people does tend to help bridge differences. It's actually more convenient for me not to have to take 2 extra days away from home to come to SF early, but I would have done so had the Council been willing to look upon this initiative as one that was about putting some oil in the works. That does not appear to be the case. Councillors from both houses seem to have worries about transparency. I do not know whether there will be transcription at the meeting. As I understand it, it is just an informal get-together and there is no formal agenda planned at all, so I would not expect there to be. Once again, if someone from Staff can shed more light on this meeting, that may be helpful. As it is, I think the message from the Council is that you do not want me to go, and I have communicated this to Staff. Thanks, Stéphane Le 19 janv. 2011 à 21:35, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
I personally don't have anything against these type of meetings helping to improve the future communication between the AC/Sos. On the one hand 2 days seem a bit long for that purpose. On the other hand during these days short ly before the ICANN meeting the council needs your "presence, too, since by experience the council discussion on agenda items, motions etc. is getting more and more momentum. Please take this into consideration and let the organizers know.
Best regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2011 16:51 An: GNSO Council Betreff: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
I don't think it's the council's message rather that one of some council members. I wonder if this is the way how we provide guidance to the council leadership to act and represent the council. I wonder also whether other AC/SOs have this kind of scruple. My suggestion: - communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session In addition I think it's necessary to step into a broader discussion on the role and competencies of the council leadership. This should be done in context of discussing the councils scope and role (see e.g. JAS WG chartering). With the GNSO improvements activities we've implemented a lot of detailed structural measures but some of that basic framework is still missing. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 01:28 An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: Re: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Thanks Wolf. My personal opinion is that it's a mistake for the GNSO to exclude itself from this kind of meeting. In any community and environment, building relationships between people does tend to help bridge differences. It's actually more convenient for me not to have to take 2 extra days away from home to come to SF early, but I would have done so had the Council been willing to look upon this initiative as one that was about putting some oil in the works. That does not appear to be the case. Councillors from both houses seem to have worries about transparency. I do not know whether there will be transcription at the meeting. As I understand it, it is just an informal get-together and there is no formal agenda planned at all, so I would not expect there to be. Once again, if someone from Staff can shed more light on this meeting, that may be helpful. As it is, I think the message from the Council is that you do not want me to go, and I have communicated this to Staff. Thanks, Stéphane Le 19 janv. 2011 à 21:35, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Stéphane,
I personally don't have anything against these type of meetings helping to improve the future communication between the AC/Sos. On the one hand 2 days seem a bit long for that purpose. On the other hand during these days short ly before the ICANN meeting the council needs your "presence, too, since by experience the council discussion on agenda items, motions etc. is getting more and more momentum. Please take this into consideration and let the organizers know.
Best regards Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Stéphane Van Gelder Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2011 16:51 An: GNSO Council Betreff: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Councillors,
FYI, Rod is inviting the SO and AC Chairs to a 2-day meeting prior to the ICANN SF meeting. The idea is to have informal discussions and to help the SO and AC Chairs get to know each other better.
I have not agreed to going yet, but have asked what the cost of the meeting would be, which part of the ICANN meeting this would come from, whether the meeting would be official?
I am told the additional costs would be negligible and part of the ICANN meeting budget.
If anyone is opposed to me going, please say so.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf. What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
Stéphane
Hello again, and sorry if my last email wasn't clear. I'd like to clarify that I don't oppose the idea of such a meeting, but would like more information as to its purpose and agenda (given that it is 2 days). As such, I support Wolf's approach. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:"<KnobenW@telekom.de>" <KnobenW@telekom.de> CC:<council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 1/20/2011 9:40 AM Subject: Re: AW: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf. What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
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Why can't Rod comment directly describing his intention? He has access to the list. I think you need a bullet point added if, indeed, it does go ahead (which I am against). - if the meeting takes place the meetings must be recorded and transcribed and made available within 48 hours to ensure the content can be discussed at the ICANN Meeting. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:38 AM To: <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf. What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
Stéphane
I have communicated the Council's concern to David Olive, with whom I have been liaising on this. I do not have any more information on this meeting at this point. It is my view that the meeting should either not be formal, in which case a 2-day meeting does not seem necessary and it may suffice to organise a dinner or some other social get-together event, or it should be formal in which case there is a set agenda and everything is recorded and transcribed as per any ICANN meeting. Stéphane Le 23 janv. 2011 à 09:57, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
Why can't Rod comment directly describing his intention? He has access to the list.
I think you need a bullet point added if, indeed, it does go ahead (which I am against).
- if the meeting takes place the meetings must be recorded and transcribed and made available within 48 hours to ensure the content can be discussed at the ICANN Meeting.
Adrian Kinderis
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:38 AM To: <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf.
What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
Stéphane
Stephane and Council Members: I¹d like to provide a bit of background on the proposed SO/AC chairs discussion with the ICANN CEO that Stéphane recently mentioned to you. For several ICANN meetings now, Rod has been hoping to have more time to have the Chairs come together with him to exchange views on their activities and programs for the future. As this has been a scheduling challenge during the midst of the public meetings, Rod asked staff to investigate whether we might find some time just prior to the March meeting. The goal is to have a discussion of what the SO/AC chairs hope to see as the most significant challenges/opportunities for ICANN and how we could work better together on sharing information about SO/AC priorities. Based on the input received, we are planning a two hour informal roundtable on Friday afternoon, March 11, followed by a dinner. Noting the concerns that have been raised, Rod encourages the Chairs to solicit input from their communities on points that should be raised, and to share any feedback on the discussion that they would like following the session. Regards, David David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611 On 1/24/11 3:09 AM, "Stéphane Van Gelder" <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> wrote:
I have communicated the Council's concern to David Olive, with whom I have been liaising on this.
I do not have any more information on this meeting at this point.
It is my view that the meeting should either not be formal, in which case a 2-day meeting does not seem necessary and it may suffice to organise a dinner or some other social get-together event, or it should be formal in which case there is a set agenda and everything is recorded and transcribed as per any ICANN meeting.
Stéphane
Le 23 janv. 2011 à 09:57, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
Why can't Rod comment directly describing his intention? He has access to the list.
I think you need a bullet point added if, indeed, it does go ahead (which I am against).
- if the meeting takes place the meetings must be recorded and transcribed and made available within 48 hours to ensure the content can be discussed at the ICANN Meeting.
Adrian Kinderis
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:38 AM To: <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf.
What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
Stéphane
Thanks for that update David. I encourage Councillors to ask any clarifying questions of you they may need. As the format of the proposed meeting has now change considerably from a 2-day meeting to a roundtable/dinner, I suggest that it would be useful for me to be there as GNSO Chair. Councillors, please liaise with your groups and let me know if there is agreement on this. David, when can we have confirmation of the planned meeting time and that it will indeed be on Friday 11? As you can imagine, travel plans need to be aligned with this. Thanks, Stéphane Le 25 janv. 2011 à 16:28, David Olive a écrit :
Stephane and Council Members:
I¹d like to provide a bit of background on the proposed SO/AC chairs discussion with the ICANN CEO that Stéphane recently mentioned to you. For several ICANN meetings now, Rod has been hoping to have more time to have the Chairs come together with him to exchange views on their activities and programs for the future. As this has been a scheduling challenge during the midst of the public meetings, Rod asked staff to investigate whether we might find some time just prior to the March meeting. The goal is to have a discussion of what the SO/AC chairs hope to see as the most significant challenges/opportunities for ICANN and how we could work better together on sharing information about SO/AC priorities.
Based on the input received, we are planning a two hour informal roundtable on Friday afternoon, March 11, followed by a dinner. Noting the concerns that have been raised, Rod encourages the Chairs to solicit input from their communities on points that should be raised, and to share any feedback on the discussion that they would like following the session.
Regards, David
David A. Olive Vice President, Policy Development Support Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C. 20005 Office: 202.570.7126 Mobile: 202.341.3611
On 1/24/11 3:09 AM, "Stéphane Van Gelder" <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> wrote:
I have communicated the Council's concern to David Olive, with whom I have been liaising on this.
I do not have any more information on this meeting at this point.
It is my view that the meeting should either not be formal, in which case a 2-day meeting does not seem necessary and it may suffice to organise a dinner or some other social get-together event, or it should be formal in which case there is a set agenda and everything is recorded and transcribed as per any ICANN meeting.
Stéphane
Le 23 janv. 2011 à 09:57, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
Why can't Rod comment directly describing his intention? He has access to the list.
I think you need a bullet point added if, indeed, it does go ahead (which I am against).
- if the meeting takes place the meetings must be recorded and transcribed and made available within 48 hours to ensure the content can be discussed at the ICANN Meeting.
Adrian Kinderis
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:38 AM To: <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: AW: AW: [council] SO and AC Chairs meeting with Rod before SF
Thanks for those excellent suggestions Wolf.
What do others think about this approach, which I would support as it sends a more gentle signal than simply "we're not going to attend"?
- communicate to ICANN that the council has some reservations regarding this meeting - if the meeting takes place you should attend - provide a comprehensive report to the GNSO weekend session
Stéphane
Councillors, FYI, the plan for this is now an informal roundtable for the SO/AC Chairs with Rod from 3 to 5pm. This will be followed by a 6:30 pm dinner. As this is not a formal meeting, I do not intend to put forward any GNSO position, to speak for the GNSO, or to take any official GNSO message to this discussion. Stéphane
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