Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
I second this motion. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly. Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ] ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS I second this motion. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz <mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz <http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
Thank you Wolf. Jeff, Adrian, do you accept this amendment as friendly? Stéphane Le 6 janv. 2011 à 08:15, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly.
Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ]
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
I second this motion.
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx
Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman:
From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS
All,
I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done.
Thanks!
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
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For the reasons I will more fully explain tonight in an e-mail (when I have a break) I cannot accept these as friendly. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:21 AM To: KnobenW@telekom.de <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Thank you Wolf. Jeff, Adrian, do you accept this amendment as friendly? Stéphane Le 6 janv. 2011 à 08:15, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> a écrit : Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly. Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ] ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS I second this motion. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. <JAS MOTION CLEAN_WUKamend.doc>
Here are the reasons in more detail as to why I cannot accept the amendments as friendly. The provisions added are in italics, and my comments are in ALL CAPS below Wolf’s added provisions: e) Discuss and propose methods for coordinating any assistance volunteered by providers (consultants, translators, technicians, etc.); match services to qualified applicants; broker these relationships and review the operational quality of the relationship. THIS CONCEPT WAS COVERED ALREADY IN MY (E) WHICH STATES: “e) Propose methods for applicants to seek out assistance from other top-level domain consultants, translators, and technicians, in the application for, and administration of, a new top-level domain)”. THE RYSG AND RRSG DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP HAS THE EXPERTISE, KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE TO “MATCH SERVICES TO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS”, NOR IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS WORKING GROUP TO “BROKER THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND REVIEW THE OPERATIONAL QUALITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP.” f) Propose methods for coordinating cooperation among qualified applicants, and assistance volunteered by third parties. THIS IS SEEMINGLY COVERED BY MY PROPOSED (E) TO THE EXTENT IN SCOPE. g) In cooperation with ICANN Staff and donor experts propose policies and practices for fundraising and for establishing links to possible donor agencies. This activity may include assisting in the establishment of initial relationships with any donor(s) who may be able to help in first round with funding THIS AGAIN SEEMS TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS WORKING GROUP TO “ESTABLISH LINKS TO DONOR AGENCIES AND ASSISTING IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF INITIAL RELATIONSHIPS. HOW IS THIS A POLICY ACTIVITY? h) Review the basis of the US$100,000 application base fee to determine its full origin and to propose a percentage of that fee could be waived for applicants meeting the requirements for assistance. Work with the ICANN new gTLD implementation staff to determine how the fee waivers would be accommodated. ICANN HAS ALREADY PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHERE THIS FEE HAS BEEN DERIVED AND SOLICITED COMMENTS THROUGH AT LEAST FIVE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS ALREADY ON THIS. THE LAST SENTENCE “WORK WITH THE ICANN NEW GTLD IMPLEMENTATION TO DETERMINE HOW THE FEE WAIVERS WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED”. THIS ALSO DOES NOT SEEM TO US TO BE A POLICY ISSUE AND THEREFORE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE GNSO. i) Design mechanisms to encourage the build out of Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) in small or underserved languages. THIS LAST ONE IS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION WITH THE RYSG AND A FORM OF THIS WE (THE RYSG) COULD CONSIDER ADDING AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. ALTHOUGH THE RYSG CERTAINLY IS NOT AGAINST ENCOURAGING THE BUILD OUT OF IDNS, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE ACTIVITY OF A GNSO-SPONSORED GROUP. OTHERS IN THE RYSG FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND HERE AND WE ARE THEREFORE WORKING ON IT. I hope that helps explain my thinking with respect to Wolf’s proposed amendments. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:30 AM To: 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; 'KnobenW@telekom.de' Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS For the reasons I will more fully explain tonight in an e-mail (when I have a break) I cannot accept these as friendly. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:21 AM To: KnobenW@telekom.de <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Thank you Wolf. Jeff, Adrian, do you accept this amendment as friendly? Stéphane Le 6 janv. 2011 à 08:15, <KnobenW@telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de>> a écrit : Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly. Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ] ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS I second this motion. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org<mailto:gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-chairs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> / www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz/> ________________________________ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Thanks Jeff. Pls. see my comments inserted. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Best regards Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Deutsche Telekom AG Wolf-Ulrich Knoben Heinrich-Hertz-Str. 3-7 D - 64295 Darmstadt +49 2244 873999 (Tel.) +49 2151 5300 5206 (PC-Fax) +49 151 1452 5867 (Mobil) http://www.telekom.com <http://www.telekom.com/> Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Obermann (Vorsitzender) Timotheus Höttges (stellvertretender Vorsitzender) Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Guido Kerkhoff, Edward R. Kozel, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr.: DE50478376 _____ Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Januar 2011 00:05 An: Neuman, Jeff; 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Betreff: RE: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Here are the reasons in more detail as to why I cannot accept the amendments as friendly. The provisions added are in italics, and my comments are in ALL CAPS below Wolf's added provisions: e) Discuss and propose methods for coordinating any assistance volunteered by providers (consultants, translators, technicians, etc.); match services to qualified applicants; broker these relationships and review the operational quality of the relationship. THIS CONCEPT WAS COVERED ALREADY IN MY (E) WHICH STATES: "e) Propose methods for applicants to seek out assistance from other top-level domain consultants, translators, and technicians, in the application for, and administration of, a new top-level domain)". THE RYSG AND RRSG DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP HAS THE EXPERTISE, KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE TO "MATCH SERVICES TO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS", NOR IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS WORKING GROUP TO "BROKER THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND REVIEW THE OPERATIONAL QUALITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP." [WUK: ] First we have to clarify which items should be covered by the WG, and secondly the expert/expertise question has to be solved but not vice versa. I think the first part of e) should incorporate both sides ("Discuss and propose methods for coordinating any assistance sought out for applicants and those volunteered by providers... "). If "match services..., broker these relationships and review..." is beyond of what the RySG and RrSG accepts as being in the scope of policy development then at least the policy related aspects of these items should be taken into consideration which would lead e) to "Discuss and propose methods for 1. coordinating any assistance...2. matching services...3. brokering these relationships and reviewing... I wonder whether others involved could live with that. f) Propose methods for coordinating cooperation among qualified applicants, and assistance volunteered by third parties. THIS IS SEEMINGLY COVERED BY MY PROPOSED (E) TO THE EXTENT IN SCOPE. [WUK: ] see above g) In cooperation with ICANN Staff and donor experts propose policies and practices for fundraising and for establishing links to possible donor agencies. This activity may include assisting in the establishment of initial relationships with any donor(s) who may be able to help in first round with funding THIS AGAIN SEEMS TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS WORKING GROUP TO "ESTABLISH LINKS TO DONOR AGENCIES AND ASSISTING IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF INITIAL RELATIONSHIPS. HOW IS THIS A POLICY ACTIVITY? [WUK: ] If policy related scope is asked for then the first sentence covers this. The 2nd sentence could be removed from my point of view although it states just "may include..." h) Review the basis of the US$100,000 application base fee to determine its full origin and to propose a percentage of that fee could be waived for applicants meeting the requirements for assistance. Work with the ICANN new gTLD implementation staff to determine how the fee waivers would be accommodated. ICANN HAS ALREADY PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHERE THIS FEE HAS BEEN DERIVED AND SOLICITED COMMENTS THROUGH AT LEAST FIVE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS ALREADY ON THIS. THE LAST SENTENCE "WORK WITH THE ICANN NEW GTLD IMPLEMENTATION TO DETERMINE HOW THE FEE WAIVERS WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED". THIS ALSO DOES NOT SEEM TO US TO BE A POLICY ISSUE AND THEREFORE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE GNSO. [WUK: ] I could agree i) Design mechanisms to encourage the build out of Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) in small or underserved languages. THIS LAST ONE IS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION WITH THE RYSG AND A FORM OF THIS WE (THE RYSG) COULD CONSIDER ADDING AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. ALTHOUGH THE RYSG CERTAINLY IS NOT AGAINST ENCOURAGING THE BUILD OUT OF IDNS, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE ACTIVITY OF A GNSO-SPONSORED GROUP. OTHERS IN THE RYSG FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND HERE AND WE ARE THEREFORE WORKING ON IT. I hope that helps explain my thinking with respect to Wolf's proposed amendments. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy _____ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message. From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:30 AM To: 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; 'KnobenW@telekom.de' Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS For the reasons I will more fully explain tonight in an e-mail (when I have a break) I cannot accept these as friendly. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:21 AM To: KnobenW@telekom.de <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Thank you Wolf. Jeff, Adrian, do you accept this amendment as friendly? Stéphane Le 6 janv. 2011 à 08:15, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit : Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly. Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ] _____ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS I second this motion. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman: From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS All, I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done. Thanks! Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / <mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.biz> jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / <http://www.neustar.biz/> www.neustar.biz _____ The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. 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Thanks Wolf. For everyone's information, as these proposed amendments have not been accepted as friendly, and unless that changes before our meeting, we will be voting on the amendments first and the motion afterwards. Thanks, Stéphane Le 7 janv. 2011 à 09:27, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Thanks Jeff.
Pls. see my comments inserted.
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Von: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us] Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Januar 2011 00:05 An: Neuman, Jeff; 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Betreff: RE: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
Here are the reasons in more detail as to why I cannot accept the amendments as friendly. The provisions added are in italics, and my comments are in ALL CAPS below Wolf’s added provisions:
e) Discuss and propose methods for coordinating any assistance volunteered by providers (consultants, translators, technicians, etc.); match services to qualified applicants; broker these relationships and review the operational quality of the relationship.
THIS CONCEPT WAS COVERED ALREADY IN MY (E) WHICH STATES: “E) PROPOSE METHODS FOR APPLICANTS TO SEEK OUT ASSISTANCE FROM OTHER TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN CONSULTANTS, TRANSLATORS, AND TECHNICIANS, IN THE APPLICATION FOR, AND ADMINISTRATION OF, A NEW TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN)”. THE RYSG AND RRSG DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS GROUP HAS THE EXPERTISE, KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE TO “MATCH SERVICES TO QUALIFIED APPLICANTS”, NOR IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS WORKING GROUP TO “BROKER THESE RELATIONSHIPS AND REVIEW THE OPERATIONAL QUALITY OF THE RELATIONSHIP.” [WUK: ] First we have to clarify which items should be covered by the WG, and secondly the expert/expertise question has to be solved but not vice versa.
I think the first part of e) should incorporate both sides ("Discuss and propose methods for coordinating any assistance sought out for applicants and those volunteered by providers... "). If "match services..., broker these relationships and review..." is beyond of what the RySG and RrSG accepts as being in the scope of policy development then at least the policy related aspects of these items should be taken into consideration which would lead e) to "Discuss and propose methods for 1. coordinating any assistance...2. matching services...3. brokering these relationships and reviewing...
I wonder whether others involved could live with that.
f) Propose methods for coordinating cooperation among qualified applicants, and assistance volunteered by third parties.
THIS IS SEEMINGLY COVERED BY MY PROPOSED (E) TO THE EXTENT IN SCOPE. [WUK: ] see above
g) In cooperation with ICANN Staff and donor experts propose policies and practices for fundraising and for establishing links to possible donor agencies. This activity may include assisting in the establishment of initial relationships with any donor(s) who may be able to help in first round with funding
THIS AGAIN SEEMS TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS WORKING GROUP TO “ESTABLISH LINKS TO DONOR AGENCIES AND ASSISTING IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF INITIAL RELATIONSHIPS. HOW IS THIS A POLICY ACTIVITY? [WUK: ] If policy related scope is asked for then the first sentence covers this. The 2nd sentence could be removed from my point of view although it states just "may include..."
h) Review the basis of the US$100,000 application base fee to determine its full origin and to propose a percentage of that fee could be waived for applicants meeting the requirements for assistance. Work with the ICANN new gTLD implementation staff to determine how the fee waivers would be accommodated.
ICANN HAS ALREADY PROVIDED SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENTATION AS TO WHERE THIS FEE HAS BEEN DERIVED AND SOLICITED COMMENTS THROUGH AT LEAST FIVE ROUNDS OF COMMENTS ALREADY ON THIS. THE LAST SENTENCE “WORK WITH THE ICANN NEW GTLD IMPLEMENTATION TO DETERMINE HOW THE FEE WAIVERS WOULD BE ACCOMMODATED”. THIS ALSO DOES NOT SEEM TO US TO BE A POLICY ISSUE AND THEREFORE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE GNSO. [WUK: ] I could agree
i) Design mechanisms to encourage the build out of Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) in small or underserved languages.
THIS LAST ONE IS STILL UNDER DISCUSSION WITH THE RYSG AND A FORM OF THIS WE (THE RYSG) COULD CONSIDER ADDING AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. ALTHOUGH THE RYSG CERTAINLY IS NOT AGAINST ENCOURAGING THE BUILD OUT OF IDNS, THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE ACTIVITY OF A GNSO-SPONSORED GROUP. OTHERS IN THE RYSG FEEL LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME MIDDLE GROUND HERE AND WE ARE THEREFORE WORKING ON IT.
I hope that helps explain my thinking with respect to Wolf’s proposed amendments.
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:30 AM To: 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; 'KnobenW@telekom.de' Cc: 'council@gnso.icann.org' Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
For the reasons I will more fully explain tonight in an e-mail (when I have a break) I cannot accept these as friendly. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:21 AM To: KnobenW@telekom.de <KnobenW@telekom.de> Cc: council@gnso.icann.org Council <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: AW: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
Thank you Wolf.
Jeff, Adrian, do you accept this amendment as friendly?
Stéphane
Le 6 janv. 2011 à 08:15, <KnobenW@telekom.de> a écrit :
Following the discussion on the list I'd like to propose an amendment to the Alternate Motion on JAS (see attached) and would be happy if you accept it as friendly.
Wolf-Ulrich [WUK: ]
Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2011 00:45 An: Glen de Saint Géry; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
I second this motion.
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx
Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman:
From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS
All,
I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done.
Thanks!
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
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Thanks Adrian. Glen, please update the wiki to show the motion as seconded. Thanks, Stéphane Le 6 janv. 2011 à 00:45, Adrian Kinderis a écrit :
I second this motion.
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Glen de Saint Géry Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2011 9:28 AM To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] RE: Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motions in word format .doc, easier to open than .docx
Glen de Saint Géry GNSO Secretariat gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org http://gnso.icann.org
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Liz Gasster Sent: mercredi 5 janvier 2011 21:51 To: council@gnso.icann.org Subject: [council] Alternate Motion on JAS
Forwarding the attached motion from Jeff Neuman:
From: owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-chairs@icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 6:26 PM To: gnso-chairs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-chairs] Alternate Motion on JAS
All,
I am going on vacation, but I want to make sure that I do not miss the deadline to introduce motions for the January 13th Meeting. So I would like to introduce this Motion as a completely new alternate motion. Can I ask as a favor that unless you hear otherwise, can you please post this by the motion deadline? I have attached a redlined version of my motion to the version proposed by Rafik for those on the Council that want to see what was done.
Thanks!
Jeffrey J. Neuman Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy 46000 Center Oak Plaza Sterling, VA 20166 Office: +1.571.434.5772 Mobile: +1.202.549.5079 Fax: +1.703.738.7965 / jeff.neuman@neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you have received this e-mail message in error and any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and delete the original message.
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Glen de Saint Géry -
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Stéphane Van Gelder