I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To:"GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership
I strongly agree with Mary. Debbie Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org <mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> ________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership <http://www.piercelaw.edu/>
Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga 2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org>
I strongly agree with Mary.
Debbie
*Debra Y. Hughes** l** Senior Counsel* *American Red Cross*
Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org ------------------------------
*From:* owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM *To:* GNSO Council *Subject:* Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers...
I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event.
More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.")
I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too.
It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all).
All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :)
Have a good day of meetings, everyone!
Mary
*Mary W S Wong*
Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs
Franklin Pierce Law Center
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
*From: *
"Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com>
*To:*
"GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org>
*Date: *
6/22/2010 3:00 AM
*Subject: *
[council] Gala tickets and volunteers...
I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference.
I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs.
Tim
[image: Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership] <http://www.piercelaw.edu/>
Should we all boycott in protest? Don't forget that ICANN has no idea how many folks are coming nor will you get many venues that can fit 1500 people. Perhaps cancelling is the only option to ensure no one is disappointed. Which would, in turn, be disappointing. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Olga Cavalli Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:56 AM To: HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org Cc: MWong@piercelaw.edu; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga 2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org<mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org>> I strongly agree with Mary. Debbie Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org<mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> ________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu<mailto:mwong@piercelaw.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From:
"Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com>> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Error! Filename not specified.<http://www.piercelaw.edu/>
No, but take your T-Shirt with ".Protest" Regards Wolf-Ulrich ________________________________ Von: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] Im Auftrag von Adrian Kinderis Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010 08:59 An: Olga Cavalli; HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org Cc: MWong@piercelaw.edu; council@gnso.icann.org Betreff: RE: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... Should we all boycott in protest? Don't forget that ICANN has no idea how many folks are coming nor will you get many venues that can fit 1500 people. Perhaps cancelling is the only option to ensure no one is disappointed. Which would, in turn, be disappointing. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Olga Cavalli Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:56 AM To: HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org Cc: MWong@piercelaw.edu; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga 2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> I strongly agree with Mary. Debbie Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org <mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> ________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 >>> From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Error! Filename not specified. <http://www.piercelaw.edu/>
Sorry to wade in, but I find this thread surreal. So should it be a rule at ICANN meetings that even if there are 2,000 or more attendees, as we are told is the case here, the organizers MUST find suitable space for them? So does that mean they have to rent a stadium or something if ICANN meetings continue to grow in popularity and interest worldwide? I understand and am sympathetic to Tim's desire to include everyone, but what if that's not physically possible? Should a venue be discounted because a 2,000 person gala event cannot be organized there, either for budgetary or logistical reasons? Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager +33 1 48 01 83 51 INDOM Noms de domaine / Domain names 124-126, rue de Provence 75008 Paris France 0820 77 7000 (Prix d'un appel local) De l'étranger (calling from outside France): + 33 1 76 70 05 67 www.indom.com Daily domain name industry news: www.domaines.info Mon blog/My blog : www.stephanevangelder.com Twitter : stephvg ---------------- Téléchargez l'App INDOM GRATUITE pour iPhone (App Store, Recherche: "INDOM") Download INDOM's FREE iPHone App (App Store, search for INDOM). http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8 ---------------- Le 23 juin 2010 à 08:55, Olga Cavalli a écrit :
Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga
2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> I strongly agree with Mary.
Debbie
Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross
Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers...
I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event.
More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.")
I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too.
It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all).
All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :)
Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference.
I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs.
Tim
I think we all understand that the financial, venue and other logistical issues for local hosts and organizers are difficult, particularly as the total number of participants is constantly changing and, particularly in the case of popular/accessible cities, growing. (BTW I didn't mean to disparage or under-estimate the effort - and great job - that previous organizers (including some colleagues here on the Council) had put in.) I don't think the best solution is to cancel the event; and I believe most local hosts/organizers do their best to be as inclusive as possible. At the very least, however, for meetings where it is reasonable to expect that there will be a large number of attendees, the meeting website should be clear that space is limited. In terms of distributing those tickets, there has to be a better way of ensuring that those who put in the work can get to go, e.g. non-Board, non-Council, non-Chair community members on WGs, DTs and the like. Why not give a certain number of tickets to each SG, to distribute directly to their members on constituency day? If for some reason a SG doesn't use up all its tickets, it can put those unused tickets back in a pool for general distribution. More generally, perhaps ICANN and future hosts/organizers/sponsors should be looking at more and smaller networking events rather than just one single fancy event that is sure to generate disappointment after all the hype. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@gmail.com> CC:<HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org>, <MWong@piercelaw.edu>, <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/23/2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... Sorry to wade in, but I find this thread surreal. So should it be a rule at ICANN meetings that even if there are 2,000 or more attendees, as we are told is the case here, the organizers MUST find suitable space for them? So does that mean they have to rent a stadium or something if ICANN meetings continue to grow in popularity and interest worldwide? I understand and am sympathetic to Tim's desire to include everyone, but what if that's not physically possible? Should a venue be discounted because a 2,000 person gala event cannot be organized there, either for budgetary or logistical reasons? Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager +33 1 48 01 83 51 INDOM Noms de domaine / Domain names 124-126, rue de Provence 75008 Paris France 0820 77 7000 (Prix d'un appel local) De l'étranger (calling from outside France): + 33 1 76 70 05 67 www.indom.com Daily domain name industry news: www.domaines.info Mon blog/My blog : www.stephanevangelder.com Twitter : stephvg ---------------- Téléchargez l'App INDOM GRATUITE pour iPhone (App Store, Recherche: "INDOM") Download INDOM's FREE iPHone App (App Store, search for INDOM). http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8 ---------------- Le 23 juin 2010 à 08:55, Olga Cavalli a écrit : Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga 2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> I strongly agree with Mary. Debbie Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership
I wonder if there might be a way to accommodate Tim's and Mary's suggestions. What if invitations were reserved up front for all GNSO members who are active volunteers in the GNSO (i.e., WG members, Councilors, SG/Constituency chairs). We would need to find out who of those volunteers are planning to be in attendance and want to attend the GALA; once that was done, Secretariat Staff could pick up those invitations arrange for pick up as feasible. Chuck From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:06 AM To: Olga Cavalli Cc: HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org; MWong@piercelaw.edu; council@gnso.icann.org Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... Sorry to wade in, but I find this thread surreal. So should it be a rule at ICANN meetings that even if there are 2,000 or more attendees, as we are told is the case here, the organizers MUST find suitable space for them? So does that mean they have to rent a stadium or something if ICANN meetings continue to grow in popularity and interest worldwide? I understand and am sympathetic to Tim's desire to include everyone, but what if that's not physically possible? Should a venue be discounted because a 2,000 person gala event cannot be organized there, either for budgetary or logistical reasons? Stéphane Van Gelder Directeur Général / General manager +33 1 48 01 83 51 INDOM Noms de domaine / Domain names 124-126, rue de Provence 75008 Paris France 0820 77 7000 (Prix d'un appel local) De l'étranger (calling from outside France): + 33 1 76 70 05 67 www.indom.com Daily domain name industry news: www.domaines.info Mon blog/My blog : www.stephanevangelder.com Twitter : stephvg ---------------- Téléchargez l'App INDOM GRATUITE pour iPhone (App Store, Recherche: "INDOM") Download INDOM's FREE iPHone App (App Store, search for INDOM). http://itunes.apple.com/fr/app/indom/id359401210?mt=8 ---------------- Le 23 juin 2010 à 08:55, Olga Cavalli a écrit : Hi, I agree with Tim and Mary. When meetings are organized, there should be a commitment made by organizers and local partners to allow everyone in the ICANN community to participating in social events including the Gala dinner. It is extremely disappointing to have difficulties in getting one of the invitations for those not part of a SO or AC, even when they volunteer time and effort in different working groups or are just part of the community attending the meeting. As new rules are being established for ICANN meetings organization, I suggest that we address this comment to those in charge of preparing them. Regards Olga 2010/6/22 <HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> I strongly agree with Mary. Debbie Debra Y. Hughes l Senior Counsel American Red Cross Office of the General Counsel 2025 E Street, NW Washington, D.C. 20006 Phone: (202) 303-5356 Fax: (202) 303-0143 HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org <mailto:HughesDeb@usa.redcross.org> ________________________________ From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:34 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I agree with Tim that it seems to defeat the purpose if the most active volunteers at ICANN don't get an equal chance to attend the main event. More broadly, I find it troubling that these events are listed as "networking events" on the schedule, but occasionally (usually at meetings where there are very many attendees, e.g. Paris and now Brussels) an "ordinary" member of the community (e.g. not a Board or Council member) is told, after traveling to the meeting and after he/she has been asked to name his/her hotel for transport to the gala, that he/she needs a ticket on a "first come first served" basis (BTW the meeting website merely hints vaguely at this, saying that "Invitations will be available ... starting on Tuesday etc.") I appreciate that this kind of decision is made by the host/sponsor for logistical reasons, and not ICANN, but to me it could - and probably will - be taken as a poor reflection of ICANN (especially when so much volunteer time is being asked of the community). I also appreciate that as a Council member I get a ticket and in advance (thank you Glen!!!!) but if I were a non-Council but active WG member, I might be troubled by that too. It seems to me that if the host/sponsor cannot hold a splashy event that can accommodate as many members of the community as wish to attend (some of whom may be here for the first time or who may be funding themselves), then either hold a less fancy/ambitious event so that more can attend, or don't hold one at all (or at least don't advertise it as a gala open to all). All right, now someone tell me this is "outside the scope of Council" :) Have a good day of meetings, everyone! Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law & Chair, Graduate IP Programs Franklin Pierce Law Center Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mwong@piercelaw.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@godaddy.com> To: "GNSO Council " <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 6/22/2010 3:00 AM Subject: [council] Gala tickets and volunteers... I learned this morning that the ATRT members do not get Gala tickets similar to the way the Council received them. It seems to me that if the primary social event at these meetings is going to have limited availability that active volunteers in current working groups, work teams, etc. of the ACs and SOs should have some preference. I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it at this point, but Glen, is there any way that at least the ATRT members can be sure to get tickets if any of them want them? And going forward, this is something that should be given some thought. It may even serve as an incentive for participation in the work of the ACs and SOs. Tim Pierce Law | University of New Hampshire - An Innovative Partnership <http://www.piercelaw.edu/>
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