Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: tim@godaddy.com [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim ________________________________ From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org><mailto:secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Tim - would it help if we added the word "GNSO" to the "chartering process" language, to say "GNSO-chartered process"? Jeff - I understand your point, which is somewhat different from the point I was trying to make in the note. In other words, I thought it would be useful for the Board to know that the group itself - as opposed to At Large staff - via Rafik and Carlton, whose cover note made it clear, that stuck to the GNSO chartered process. Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> To:"'tim@godaddy.com'" <tim@godaddy.com>, "'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'" <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>, "'owner-council@gnso.icann.org'" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>, "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/17/2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: tim@godaddy.com [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet:Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date :Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De :ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ( mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org ) Pour :Secretary <secretary@icann.org> ( mailto:secretary@icann.org ) Copie à :ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com> ( mailto:ocl@gih.com ), carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> ( mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com ), rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> ( mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com ), ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> ( mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org ) Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
I will try to address Jeff's questions, but will in parallel pass my answers by the ALAC to ensure that I am not putting words into their collective mouths. First, I read Mary's "the chartering process" to mean "the process laid out in their charter(s)". On why At-Large staff forwarded the report to the Board, this was done at the request of the ALAC through its Chair and Executive Committee and was not an independent action of staff.. Regarding the appropriateness of one of the chartering organizations sending the report to the Board, the GNSO charter had the following sentence which the ALAC copied verbatim: "4. All communication to the ICANN Board regarding the work of this Working Group shall be through the respective SO/AC unless expressly approved by the respective SO/AC." There is nothing there that I construe to meaning that the chartering organizations must work in tandem. Alan At 17/05/2011 09:02 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: tim@godaddy.com [mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors,
Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO.
Thanks Mary for providing this draft.
Please let me have your comments.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: <mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu>mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: <http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php>http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <http://ssrn.com/author=437584>http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<mailto:ocl@gih.com>ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <mailto:secretary@icann.org><secretary@icann.org> Copie à : <mailto:ocl@gih.com>ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com><ocl@gih.com>, <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com><carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com><rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled âStatus of this Documentâ); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 713 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/>www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Alan, Thanks for that. Quick question; does the ALAC vote on this sort of stuff or just “decide and go”? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 7:54 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report I will try to address Jeff's questions, but will in parallel pass my answers by the ALAC to ensure that I am not putting words into their collective mouths. First, I read Mary's "the chartering process" to mean "the process laid out in their charter(s)". On why At-Large staff forwarded the report to the Board, this was done at the request of the ALAC through its Chair and Executive Committee and was not an independent action of staff.. Regarding the appropriateness of one of the chartering organizations sending the report to the Board, the GNSO charter had the following sentence which the ALAC copied verbatim: "4. All communication to the ICANN Board regarding the work of this Working Group shall be through the respective SO/AC unless expressly approved by the respective SO/AC." There is nothing there that I construe to meaning that the chartering organizations must work in tandem. Alan At 17/05/2011 09:02 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote: I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: tim@godaddy.com [ mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 >>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder< stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org> > Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org><mailto:secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> , ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Documentâ€); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
During my tenure on the ALAC, we generally voted on issues such as formal ALAC statements, approval of the creation of WGs or charters. And of course all issues that clearly required "formal" action under our rules or ICANN Bylaws - elections, changes to our rules of procedure, approval of ALSs and such. For more operational issues, we tend to work by consensus and only revert to a formal vote if there is an objection raised. In our earlier days, there was some mistrust of the Executive Committee, but that is generally not an issue now and the ALAC will often delegate operational issues to the ExCom. I would have to go back and check transcripts to be sure, but my recollection is that the decision on the detail of how to handle the JAS report was delegated to the ExCom, as the timing was far too tight to convene an ALAC meeting or schedule a formal vote. And to be candid, we did not imagine that it would end up being controversial. There certainly was discussion and agreement on the need to get the report to the Board in time to meet their publication deadline for their retreat, recognizing that there would still be time for us to submit a brief statement prior to their actually discussing it (still a wild guess if they will nor not, since no agenda has yet been published). Alan At 17/05/2011 12:42 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote:
Alan,
Thanks for that.
Quick question; does the ALAC vote on this sort of stuff or just âdecide and goâ?
Thanks.
Adrian Kinderis
From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 7:54 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
I will try to address Jeff's questions, but will in parallel pass my answers by the ALAC to ensure that I am not putting words into their collective mouths.
First, I read Mary's "the chartering process" to mean "the process laid out in their charter(s)".
On why At-Large staff forwarded the report to the Board, this was done at the request of the ALAC through its Chair and Executive Committee and was not an independent action of staff..
Regarding the appropriateness of one of the chartering organizations sending the report to the Board, the GNSO charter had the following sentence which the ALAC copied verbatim: "4. All communication to the ICANN Board regarding the work of this Working Group shall be through the respective SO/AC unless expressly approved by the respective SO/AC." There is nothing there that I construe to meaning that the chartering organizations must work in tandem.
Alan
At 17/05/2011 09:02 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: tim@godaddy.com [ mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors,
Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO.
Thanks Mary for providing this draft.
Please let me have your comments.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: <mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu>mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: <http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php>http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <http://ssrn.com/author=437584>http://ssrn.com/author=437584 >>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com> stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<mailto:ocl@gih.com>ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>council@gnso.icann.org > Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org><staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <mailto:secretary@icann.org><secretary@icann.org> Copie à : <mailto:ocl@gih.com>ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com><ocl@gih.com>, <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com><carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com><rafik.dammak@gmail.com> , ICANN At-Large Staff<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled âStatus of this s DocumentâÂ); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7133 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/>www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Dear friends, I'm not jealous who and why sent a message from ALAC to the Board. Why should I spend my time digging into this? I care it's 17th of May 2011 and in June ICANN will launch a massive ad campaign about new gTLD. Guys @ communities from different geographical regions who can't afford to pay upfront a lot of US Dollars (why it's not рубли or人民币?) will go to GAC (some will go to ITU directly) with very reasonable question: what about us? I bet JAS will be adopted, it's part of the ICANN strategy to be on the bright side of the force. I see VI déjà vu happening right now. And really would like Councilors and gNSO stakeholders to take it as granted and try to adopt it while the window still open until the next JAS milestone report which might be the final call. yours, --andrei From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:16 PM To: Adrian Kinderis; GNSO Council Subject: RE: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report During my tenure on the ALAC, we generally voted on issues such as formal ALAC statements, approval of the creation of WGs or charters. And of course all issues that clearly required "formal" action under our rules or ICANN Bylaws - elections, changes to our rules of procedure, approval of ALSs and such. For more operational issues, we tend to work by consensus and only revert to a formal vote if there is an objection raised. In our earlier days, there was some mistrust of the Executive Committee, but that is generally not an issue now and the ALAC will often delegate operational issues to the ExCom. I would have to go back and check transcripts to be sure, but my recollection is that the decision on the detail of how to handle the JAS report was delegated to the ExCom, as the timing was far too tight to convene an ALAC meeting or schedule a formal vote. And to be candid, we did not imagine that it would end up being controversial. There certainly was discussion and agreement on the need to get the report to the Board in time to meet their publication deadline for their retreat, recognizing that there would still be time for us to submit a brief statement prior to their actually discussing it (still a wild guess if they will nor not, since no agenda has yet been published). Alan At 17/05/2011 12:42 PM, Adrian Kinderis wrote: Alan, Thanks for that. Quick question; does the ALAC vote on this sort of stuff or just “decide and goâ€? Thanks. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [ mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org <mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> ] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 7:54 AM To: GNSO Council Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report I will try to address Jeff's questions, but will in parallel pass my answers by the ALAC to ensure that I am not putting words into their collective mouths. First, I read Mary's "the chartering process" to mean "the process laid out in their charter(s)". On why At-Large staff forwarded the report to the Board, this was done at the request of the ALAC through its Chair and Executive Committee and was not an independent action of staff.. Regarding the appropriateness of one of the chartering organizations sending the report to the Board, the GNSO charter had the following sentence which the ALAC copied verbatim: "4. All communication to the ICANN Board regarding the work of this Working Group shall be through the respective SO/AC unless expressly approved by the respective SO/AC." There is nothing there that I construe to meaning that the chartering organizations must work in tandem. Alan At 17/05/2011 09:02 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote: I also would like to see the statement about the "scrupulous observance of the chartering process" removed. We still need to find out why the at-large icann staff sent the report to the board on May 9th as is indicated in Olivier's note. I am also not convinced that one organization sending the report to the board without the approval of the other organization is in line with the chartering process, but we can discuss that further. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: tim@godaddy.com [ mailto:tim@godaddy.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 08:12 AM To: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com>; owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584 >>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder< stephane.vangelder@indom.com <mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com> > To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org > Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <mailto:secretary@icann.org> <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> , ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this s Documentâ€Â); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–133 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com a écrit :
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.
Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Councillors,
Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO.
Thanks Mary for providing this draft.
Please let me have your comments.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com> a écrit : No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim ________________________________ From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org><mailto:secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
So that's one vote for version B, right? Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 17:54, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note.
Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan,
This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A):
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair
Or (this my version B):
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair
As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send.
Is that acceptable to everyone?
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com a écrit :
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.
Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Councillors,
Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO.
Thanks Mary for providing this draft.
Please let me have your comments.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Yes, sorry I am on blackberry at a meeting and missed that. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:23 PM To: Neuman, Jeff Cc: 'tim@godaddy.com' <tim@godaddy.com>; 'owner-council@gnso.icann.org' <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; 'council@gnso.icann.org' <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report So that's one vote for version B, right? Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 17:54, Neuman, Jeff a écrit : Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com> <tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com>> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> <owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org>>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com> a écrit : No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim ________________________________ From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org><mailto:secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
I know questions have been raised regarding the actual Report, and the process by which ALAC transmitted the Report to the Board. I had thought, however, that it is very clear that Rafik and Carlton definitely followed the terms of the GNSO charter in directly sending the Report to us, at the same time that they sent it to ALAC (i.e. it was not them as Co-Chairs or the JAS WG that went directly to the Board). As such, why shouldn't we say so in the note? Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> CC:"'tim@godaddy.com'" <tim@godaddy.com>, "'owner-council@gnso.icann.org'" <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>, "'council@gnso.icann.org'" <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/17/2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report So that's one vote for version B, right? Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 17:54, Neuman, Jeff a écrit : Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com a écrit : No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAWTwo White StreetConcord, NH 03301USAEmail: mary.wong@law.unh.eduPhone: 1-603-513-5143Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.phpSelected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To:Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet:Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date :Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De :ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> ( mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org ) Pour :Secretary <secretary@icann.org> ( mailto:secretary@icann.org ) Copie à :ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com> ( mailto:ocl@gih.com ), carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> ( mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com ), rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com> ( mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com ), ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org> ( mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org ) Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Make it two for B. -----Original Message----- From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 18:23:59 To: Neuman, Jeff<Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us> Cc: 'tim@godaddy.com'<tim@godaddy.com>; 'owner-council@gnso.icann.org'<owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; 'council@gnso.icann.org'<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report So that's one vote for version B, right? Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 17:54, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note.
Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan,
This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A):
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair
Or (this my version B):
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair
As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send.
Is that acceptable to everyone?
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com a écrit :
No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed.
Tim From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report
Councillors,
Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO.
Thanks Mary for providing this draft.
Please let me have your comments.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit :
Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it.
We suggest the following draft:
Dear Peter,
We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review.
I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board.
Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary
Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier.
GNSO Council, FYI.
A good weekend to all.
Stéphane
Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit :
Dear Stéphane,
please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards,
Olivier
-------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org>
Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board.
Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff
email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org
<jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Hi, Sorry for the delay. Just back from the US. I’ll go for B for the same reason as Jeff outlines below. Jonathan From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff Sent: 17 May 2011 16:54 To: 'stephane.vangelder@indom.com'; 'tim@godaddy.com' Cc: 'owner-council@gnso.icann.org'; 'council@gnso.icann.org' Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Unfortunately, I cannot commit on behalf of the rysg to that last sentence on "observance" and would prefer its deletion since on our last rysg call questions were raised and I am not sure it adds to the substance of the note. Thanks. Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. Vice President, Law & Policy NeuStar, Inc. Jeff.Neuman@neustar.biz From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com <tim@godaddy.com> Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org <owner-council@gnso.icann.org>; Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com a écrit : No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim _____ From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
From: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <mailto:secretary@icann.org> <secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com <mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> <staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled “Status of this Document”); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7–13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
Is there a wider issue here too? We should also remind the ICANN Board and indeed the staff of following appropriate process and that we would appreciate it if they could be mindful of their interactions and the direction they give. Many of the issues with respect to the Joint WG have stemmed from their direction and direct interaction. Adrian Kinderis From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 8:43 AM To: tim@godaddy.com Cc: owner-council@gnso.icann.org; Council GNSO Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Tim, Jeff, Mary and Alan, This would be the proposed message then. Either (I call this version A): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the GNSO-chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair Or (this my version B): Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder GNSO Council Chair As Olga had requested a vote, I would like to suggest that we give ourselves until Thursday's meeting to vote by return email to the list on either version A or B, and whichever has the most votes is the one I send. Is that acceptable to everyone? Thanks, Stéphane Le 17 mai 2011 à 14:12, tim@godaddy.com<mailto:tim@godaddy.com> a écrit : No objection if you remove the last sentence. There is no chartering process for CWGs. The ALAC and GNSO could not even agree on what the charter should be. And at least a few of us have concerns about how and why CWGs are being formed. Tim ________________________________ From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> Sender: owner-council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org> Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:45:21 +0200 To: Council GNSO<council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Councillors, Please find below the NCSG's suggestion on a message which I could send to the Chairman of the Board in my capacity as Chair of the GNSO. Thanks Mary for providing this draft. Please let me have your comments. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 16:31, <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> <Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu>> a écrit : Hi - sorry for the delay in getting back to you on the Council letter; there has been some lively discussion among some NCSG folks about it. We suggest the following draft: Dear Peter, We understand that ALAC has forwarded to the Board the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group (JAS WG)'s Second Milestone Report. As the other chartering organization of the JAS WG, the GNSO Council notes that it has not yet approved the Report. We acknowledge the Board's desire to move forward with new gTLDs, including issues relating to applicant support, and hope to provide the Board with our advice and recommendations as soon as possible. The GNSO Council would also like to inform the Board that it appreciates the JAS WG's scrupulous observance of the chartering process, in submitting its Report simultaneously to ALAC and the GNSO for review. I would be grateful if you could convey the GNSO Council's message to the Board. Best regards, Stephane van Gelder Cheers Mary Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Chair, Graduate IP Programs Director, Franklin Pierce Center for IP UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord, NH 03301 USA Email: mary.wong@law.unh.edu<mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu> Phone: 1-603-513-5143 Webpage: http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
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Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder@indom.com>> To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com>>, Council GNSO <council@gnso.icann.org<mailto:council@gnso.icann.org>> Date: 5/14/2011 5:18 AM Subject: [council] Re: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Thanks Olivier. GNSO Council, FYI. A good weekend to all. Stéphane Le 14 mai 2011 à 11:03, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond a écrit : Dear Stéphane, please find enclosed, a copy of our follow-up message to the Board including ALAC comments. Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you have any query about its contents. Have a good week-end! Kind regards, Olivier -------- Message original -------- Sujet: Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report Date : Fri, 13 May 2011 20:26:34 -0700 De : ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Pour : Secretary <secretary@icann.org><mailto:secretary@icann.org> Copie à : ocl@gih.com<mailto:ocl@gih.com> <ocl@gih.com><mailto:ocl@gih.com>, carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> <carlton.samuels@gmail.com><mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>, rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>, ICANN At-Large Staff<staff@atlarge.icann.org><mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Dear all, The At-Large staff has the honor of transmitting to you, on behalf of the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC): * The Second Milestone Report of the Joint SO/AC New gTLD Applicant Support Working Group ( JAS WG), with a revised ALAC introduction (entitled "Status of this Document"); and * The Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report. We request that these documents (attached here) be forwarded to the members of the ICANN Board. The Second Milestone Report was received by the ALAC and the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO) on 7 May 2011. Then, the At-Large staff, on behalf of the ALAC, initially forwarded this Report to the Board on 9 May 2011. Please note that the Report itself has not been substantively changed since the Board initially received it on 9 May. During the period 7-13 May, comments on the Report were collected from the At-Large Community. These comments are the basis for the Statement of the ALAC on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report attached here. The ALAC ratification process for the Second Milestone Report and the ALAC Statement will begin on 14 May, and the results will be forwarded to the Board. Please note that GNSO approval of this document is being conducted independently and has not reached the approval stage. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Seth Greene, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber-White, and Marilyn Vernon ICANN At-Large Staff email: staff[at]atlarge.icann.org website: www.atlarge.icann.org<http://www.atlarge.icann.org/> <jas-milestone2-report-7may11-en-alac-revision.pdf><AL-ALAC-ST-0511-2 ALAC Statement on the Joint Applicant Support Second Milestone Report - EN.pdf>
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Adrian Kinderis -
Alan Greenberg -
Andrei Kolesnikov -
Jonathan Robinson -
Mary.Wong＠law.unh.edu -
Neuman, Jeff -
Stéphane Van Gelder -
tim＠godaddy.com