TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm
Dear Council Members, This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting: - Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution - CWGs and how the Board views them - New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas. Best regards Olga
Hi, I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible. I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what…Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting. As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them. Best, Bill On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature. On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it. As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that. So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what…Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
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Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what…Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
All, As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below: "Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution" "The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?" If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what…Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
I thought we had until COB (which it's not yet for me) and had planned to take advantage of it given that today is my first day back in the office after the GAC-Board meeting. I would prefer that the second topic be broadened to discuss more generally how the GNSO community can factor earlier into the policy development process GAC advice to the Board. (Yes, I am aware that my suggestion presumes that it should do so. I have no objection to a discussion of that as long as there is some discussion of the "how" as well.) If that can be done differently, perhaps there will be fewer inconsistencies - or at least greater clarity - in the future. The current silo-ing does not seem to work very well, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:37 PM To: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm All, As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below: "Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution" "The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?" If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what.Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
Olga, Glen, please widen the second topic to include Kristina's suggestion. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 22:53, Rosette, Kristina a écrit :
I thought we had until COB (which it's not yet for me) and had planned to take advantage of it given that today is my first day back in the office after the GAC-Board meeting.
I would prefer that the second topic be broadened to discuss more generally how the GNSO community can factor earlier into the policy development process GAC advice to the Board. (Yes, I am aware that my suggestion presumes that it should do so. I have no objection to a discussion of that as long as there is some discussion of the "how" as well.) If that can be done differently, perhaps there will be fewer inconsistencies - or at least greater clarity - in the future. The current silo-ing does not seem to work very well, IMHO.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:37 PM To: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm
All,
As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below:
"Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution"
"The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?"
If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what.Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
I agree with Kristina here. However, I stress we should be very careful with our approach. I know the Board and staff have worked very hard (well... harder) to improve relations with the GAC. We do not want to undo any of that good work. The relationship is fragile enough without GNSO Councillors hitting them over the head with the same hammer. That is not our role not our task. If we frame the conversation in the manner that Kristina suggests I think we will be fine. I, for one, would welcome a deeper understanding of their relationship with the GNSO and their understanding of what we go and how we can improve it. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 8:54 AM To: GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm I thought we had until COB (which it's not yet for me) and had planned to take advantage of it given that today is my first day back in the office after the GAC-Board meeting. I would prefer that the second topic be broadened to discuss more generally how the GNSO community can factor earlier into the policy development process GAC advice to the Board. (Yes, I am aware that my suggestion presumes that it should do so. I have no objection to a discussion of that as long as there is some discussion of the "how" as well.) If that can be done differently, perhaps there will be fewer inconsistencies - or at least greater clarity - in the future. The current silo-ing does not seem to work very well, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:37 PM To: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm All, As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below: "Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution" "The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?" If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what.Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
My apologies. I was a little confused by the email chains. I realise we have two meetings; - GAC/ Council - Board/ Council I think my comments are appropriate for both. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kinderis Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 7:14 PM To: 'Rosette, Kristina'; GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm I agree with Kristina here. However, I stress we should be very careful with our approach. I know the Board and staff have worked very hard (well... harder) to improve relations with the GAC. We do not want to undo any of that good work. The relationship is fragile enough without GNSO Councillors hitting them over the head with the same hammer. That is not our role not our task. If we frame the conversation in the manner that Kristina suggests I think we will be fine. I, for one, would welcome a deeper understanding of their relationship with the GNSO and their understanding of what we go and how we can improve it. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 8:54 AM To: GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm I thought we had until COB (which it's not yet for me) and had planned to take advantage of it given that today is my first day back in the office after the GAC-Board meeting. I would prefer that the second topic be broadened to discuss more generally how the GNSO community can factor earlier into the policy development process GAC advice to the Board. (Yes, I am aware that my suggestion presumes that it should do so. I have no objection to a discussion of that as long as there is some discussion of the "how" as well.) If that can be done differently, perhaps there will be fewer inconsistencies - or at least greater clarity - in the future. The current silo-ing does not seem to work very well, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:37 PM To: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm All, As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below: "Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution" "The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?" If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what.Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
Thanks, Adrian. I was thinking that the topic would also be well suited for the GNSO Council-GAC meeting. If we do use this topic, I think it would be helpful, though, to have a brief (5 mins max) explanation to the GAC of how the PDP process works. It's not well understood in the GAC and it would be useful to set out the general timeframes. In addition, I would be interested in hearing from the GAC as to whether the GAC view is that the GNSO Community should factor in GAC advice; if so, why and if not, why not. K -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kinderis [mailto:adrian@ausregistry.com.au] Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 4:44 AM To: Adrian Kinderis; Rosette, Kristina; GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm My apologies. I was a little confused by the email chains. I realise we have two meetings; - GAC/ Council - Board/ Council I think my comments are appropriate for both. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Kinderis Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 7:14 PM To: 'Rosette, Kristina'; GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm I agree with Kristina here. However, I stress we should be very careful with our approach. I know the Board and staff have worked very hard (well... harder) to improve relations with the GAC. We do not want to undo any of that good work. The relationship is fragile enough without GNSO Councillors hitting them over the head with the same hammer. That is not our role not our task. If we frame the conversation in the manner that Kristina suggests I think we will be fine. I, for one, would welcome a deeper understanding of their relationship with the GNSO and their understanding of what we go and how we can improve it. Thanks. Adrian Kinderis -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 8:54 AM To: GNSO Council List Subject: RE: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm I thought we had until COB (which it's not yet for me) and had planned to take advantage of it given that today is my first day back in the office after the GAC-Board meeting. I would prefer that the second topic be broadened to discuss more generally how the GNSO community can factor earlier into the policy development process GAC advice to the Board. (Yes, I am aware that my suggestion presumes that it should do so. I have no objection to a discussion of that as long as there is some discussion of the "how" as well.) If that can be done differently, perhaps there will be fewer inconsistencies - or at least greater clarity - in the future. The current silo-ing does not seem to work very well, IMHO. -----Original Message----- From: owner-council@gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:37 PM To: GNSO Council List Subject: Re: [council] TOPICS - Agenda Board meeting with GNSO Council - Sunday March 13, 4pm 5:30 pm All, As the deadline for communicating our topics to the Board is today, I have asked Olga and Glen, who are looking after our agenda for SF, to forward the 2 topics below: "Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution" "The role of the GNSO community in addressing any new items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs. More specifically, to the extent that there are any inconsistencies between the policy advice given by the GNSO and what the ICANN Board agrees to with the GAC, how will those matters be handled?" If there is consensus to consider other topics, I will forward them to the Board an request that they may be treated as AOB towards the end of our session with them. Thanks, Stéphane Le 4 mars 2011 à 11:01, Stéphane Van Gelder a écrit :
Had not seen Olga's recap email before I sent mine just now so apologies for its redundant nature.
On the topics, I think having at least 2 topics is best. This is our only session with the Board in SF following the recent reorg on Board interaction with the community, so I think we should try and make the most of it.
As Bruce has offered to help with the Consumer Choice topic and as it has consistently raised questions from us on what it is exactly that the Board expected from us, how this resolution came into being without any priori consultation with us or anything, I think we should also go with that.
So I would prefer Consumer choice and new TLDs as the 2 topics, if we only go for 2.
Thanks,
Stéphane
Le 4 mars 2011 à 08:43, William Drake a écrit :
Hi,
I think the experience over the past couple years with board, GAC et al meetings has been that multi-topic agendas don't work well, so I agree with Carlos that it'd be preferable to do one topic if possible.
I agree with Jeff that Brussels raised questions about the handling of possible inconsistencies between GNSO positions (and community positions more generally) and any Board-GAC compromises. After the meeting I chatted with a couple boardies who were wondering aloud how should they loop back through the community to make sure everyone's still on board, do we do a public comment period, add time to the public forum, or what.Without wanting to add too much complexity to the process or too tightly tie the board's hands, one would think it'd be good to at least talk this through with them. To me this is pressing and hefty enough to fill a meeting.
As to the others, while Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation merits focused attention, one would think more prior discussion of this in Council would be needed to make it a really productive discussion. It's sort of amorphous now and SGs may have rather different perspectives that need some initial converging. As to CWG, I've yet to hear a compelling argument that there's really a big problem regarding Board perceptions of their outputs, and in any event the Council's little group on this is just starting up, got a listserv a couple days ago. So that too one would think could bake a little more before we take it to them.
Best,
Bill
On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Olga Cavalli wrote:
Dear Council Members,
This is the list of topics proposed for the Board/GNSO meeting:
- Consumer Choice, Competition and Innovation: context of the Board resolution
- CWGs and how the Board views them
- New TLDs. Role of the GNSO community in addressing items that come out of the GAC/BD discussions on new gTLDs
Please let me know if I have forgotten something or if I have captured well your ideas.
Best regards Olga
participants (7)
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Adrian Kinderis -
Bruce Tonkin -
Olga Cavalli -
Rosette, Kristina -
Stéphane Van Gelder -
William Drake -
Zahid Jamil